Ahl ul-Bayt!

Umm Safiya · **Ahl ul-Bayt! -** 12-03-2005

"And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey God and His Apostle. And God only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless." (33:33)

Does this mean that ahl al-bayt is free from sinning? In my opinion; no! But I would like some proofs.. I would be very grateful if someone could provide me with ahadeeth or ayat, barak Allâhu fiikum..

Fi amanallâh..

safwana · 01:28 PM

where did u get da transalation frm?

the transalatin is definatly wrong?!?

Umm Safiya · **Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! -** 12-03-2005

I got it from www.al-quran.org.uk

safwana · **Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! -** 12-03-2005

wheres the ayat the verse nd the
surah?

Umm Safiya · **Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! -** 12-03-2005

Surah 33 ayah 33, like I wrote behind the ayah.. ;)

Umm Safiya · **Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! -** 12-03-2005

Inshâ'Allâh..

And here is the translation from Shakir and Pickthall.. The first one was by Yusuf Ali..

Shakir:
And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.

Pickthall:
And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of Ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing.

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · **Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! -** 12-04-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ms. Amira

Does this mean that ahl al-bayt is free from sinning?

Becoming pure is very different from infallibility or incapability to commit sin.

Notice also, that if Ahlul-Bayt was truly infallible, then Allah swt wouldn't have said that He desired to make them pure (yutahirakum tat-heera), He would have said that they already were pure. This ayat simply emphasizes the nobility of the Prophet's family, and the expectations that his family (the context of the ayat is addressing his wives) were to live up to.

I hope this helps.

Umm Safiya · **Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! -** 12-04-2005

Yes, it did help, barak Allâhu fiik wa Jazak Allâhu khayr..

aleefwaw · **Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! -** 12-16-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

Becoming pure is very different from infallibility or incapability to commit sin.

Notice also, that if Ahlul-Bayt was truly infallible, then Allah swt wouldn't have said that He desired to make them pure (yutahirakum tat-heera), He would have said that they already were pure. This ayat simply emphasizes the nobility of the Prophet's family, and the expectations that his family (the context of the ayat is addressing his wives) were to live up to.

I hope this helps.

Great reply . . .

I would just like to add that the misconception of the Ahlul-Bayt as infallible is de-grading. The simple reason for this is that Allah has made those who use their free-will to do good are better than those who don't have free will, because with free-will comes choice . . .

time_spender · **Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! -** 12-19-2005

2 all islamicaboardians!
Ms. Amira...i think this will help (if your eager to know!):
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Hope this helps

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Umm Safiya Umm Tiflayn Status: Offline Posts: 1,143 Reputation: 2408 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tahta 'Arshillâh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Ahl ul-Bayt! - 12-03-2005 "And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey God and His Apostle. And God only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless." (33:33) Does this mean that ahl al-bayt is free from sinning? In my opinion; no! But I would like some proofs.. I would be very grateful if someone could provide me with ahadeeth or ayat, barak Allâhu fiikum.. Fi amanallâh.. __________________ .::[ Kullu nafsin dhâ-iqatul mawt ]::.

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safwana Member Status: Offline Posts: 88 Reputation: 39 Rep Power: 21 Join Date: Sep 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	12-03-2005 where did u get da transalation frm? the transalatin is definatly wrong?!? Last edited by zAk; 12-04-2005 at 01:28 PM..

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Umm Safiya Umm Tiflayn Status: Offline Posts: 1,143 Reputation: 2408 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tahta 'Arshillâh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! - 12-03-2005 I got it from www.al-quran.org.uk __________________ .::[ Kullu nafsin dhâ-iqatul mawt ]::.

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safwana Member Status: Offline Posts: 88 Reputation: 39 Rep Power: 21 Join Date: Sep 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! - 12-03-2005 wheres the ayat the verse nd the surah?

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Umm Safiya Umm Tiflayn Status: Offline Posts: 1,143 Reputation: 2408 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tahta 'Arshillâh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! - 12-03-2005 Surah 33 ayah 33, like I wrote behind the ayah.. ;) __________________ .::[ Kullu nafsin dhâ-iqatul mawt ]::.

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Umm Safiya Umm Tiflayn Status: Offline Posts: 1,143 Reputation: 2408 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tahta 'Arshillâh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! - 12-03-2005 Inshâ'Allâh.. And here is the translation from Shakir and Pickthall.. The first one was by Yusuf Ali.. Shakir: And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying. Pickthall: And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of Ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. __________________ .::[ Kullu nafsin dhâ-iqatul mawt ]::.

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Umm Safiya Umm Tiflayn Status: Offline Posts: 1,143 Reputation: 2408 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tahta 'Arshillâh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Ahl ul-Bayt! - 12-04-2005 Yes, it did help, barak Allâhu fiik wa Jazak Allâhu khayr.. __________________ .::[ Kullu nafsin dhâ-iqatul mawt ]::.

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