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    Default Re: Who says Muslims can't be Vegetarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pomak View Post
    To be fair I've had people(Muslims) justify not eating meat because the way the meat is killed is more often than not not that humane. Esp chickens, even if those are free range they are usually stuffed with drugs to make em grow super fast.

    Disclaimer: I eat meat

    I live in one of the largest Beef producing regions in the world, yet halal beef is almost non-existent here. About the only halal meat I can find I have to get in Fargo. There is a Muslim family near Fargo that raises goats and sell it in the Asian Market, but the herd is still small and they only slaughter about one goat a month. Not much meat for the Muslim Population in ND. May not be many of us, but one goat doesn't go very far. He is the only source of meat, that I can be certain is halal. There are a few stores in Bismarck and Fargo that claim to sell Halal meat, but I have doubts about it being halal, so I don't buy it.

    So until I can raise my own, I guess I will be predominatly vegetarian.





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    This video answers every single question or point mentioned here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC9bt...eature=related

    there are slightly better quality versions avaiable if you are preperred to do a youtube search, but mashallah, he answers everything in like a minute. Love his opening statement!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Default Re: Who says Muslims can't be Vegetarian?

    Whats wrong with pigs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousMuham View Post
    Whats wrong with pigs?
    It's too late to ask that question, you nincompoop!!!! After your account being disabled for what you've done yesterday...



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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousMuham View Post
    Whats wrong with pigs?
    His way of life indicates Muslim and he says, whats wrong with pigs?? Is he joking or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italianguy View Post
    His way of life indicates Muslim and he says, whats wrong with pigs?? Is he joking or something?
    Hey, his way of life is not Muslim...He was one of the jerks who made fake accounts to spam and upload some very offending links... Now guess why his account is disabled... the same day he created. With just one post, his account is disabled...lol



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    Quote Originally Posted by abdulmajid View Post
    Hey, his way of life is not Muslim...He was one of the jerks who made fake accounts to spam and upload some very offending links... Now guess why his account is disabled... the same day he created. With just one post, his account is disabled...lol
    Oh wow, I didn't even notice he only had one post. what a bum H'e not going to make allot of friends doing that here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italianguy View Post
    Oh wow, I didn't even notice he only had one post. what a bum H'e not going to make allot of friends doing that here.
    His chapter's closed...kicked out of the forums...
    We're going offtopic...



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    Default Re: Who says Muslims can't be Vegetarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by abdulmajid View Post
    His chapter's closed...kicked out of the forums...
    We're going offtopic...
    Sorry, back on topic then mate. Has anybody really answered the question yet? Can a Muslim be a vegetarian? Does it say you have to eat meat in the Qur'an or hadiths?

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    Default Re: Who says Muslims can't be Vegetarian?

    Of course a muslim can be a vegetarian.
    Did you not read thread title?

    A muslim can be strictly vegetarian.
    a muslim can be strictly carnivore.
    there is no limit.
    The limit is that you don't eat food that has been made haram (such as pig and animals that have been killed without mentioning the name of Allah or has been killed in a way that is forbidden in the Qur'an).
    Regarding eating, There is also a sunnah that says you should eat when you are hungry and stop eating before you are full.
    Last edited by Ramadhan; 03-14-2010 at 09:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    Of course a muslim can be a vegetarian.
    Did you not read thread title?

    A muslim can be strictly vegetarian.
    a muslim can be strictly carnivore.
    there is no limit.
    The limit is that you don't eat food that has been made haram (such as pig and animals that have been killed without mentioning the name of Allah or has been killed in a way that is forbidden in the Qur'an).
    Regarding eating, There is also a sunnah that says you should eat when you are hungry and stop eating before you are full.
    What makes a type of food halal food? Like, how it is cooked or something? Or how it's packaged?

    I may be reading your qoute wrong, but you said pig unless it is killed without mentioning the name of Allah? Does that mean pork is ok if mentioned to Allah? I am going with no, but i was just asking, again I may have read your words wrong.

    God be with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italianguy View Post
    What makes a type of food halal food? Like, how it is cooked or something? Or how it's packaged?

    I may be reading your qoute wrong, but you said pig unless it is killed without mentioning the name of Allah? Does that mean pork is ok if mentioned to Allah? I am going with no, but i was just asking, again I may have read your words wrong.

    God be with you.
    Unlike kosher food, whose regulation are quite complex, halal food requirement are very easy to follow, as Islam does not make things difficult.

    With regard to food, the Qur’aan forbids some foods and mentions them in detail, and some others are mentioned in the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    The Qur’aan mentions some general principles that have to do with food, then all of that is explained in detail in the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    Some of the issues that are discussed in detail in the Qur’aan are the following. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): ‘I find not in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maytah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of swine (pork); for that surely, is impure or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But whosoever is forced by necessity without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits; (for him) certainly, your Lord is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful’”

    [al-An’aam 6:145]

    “Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al‑Maitah (the dead animals — cattle — beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering (that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah, or has been slaughtered for idols) and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns — and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal — unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death) ‑ and that which is sacrificed (slaughtered) on An‑Nusub (stone‑altars). (Forbidden) also is to use arrows seeking luck or decision; (all) that is Fisqun (disobedience of Allaah and sin)”

    [al-Maa’idah 5:3]

    With regard to some principles, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “and eat and drink but waste not by extravagance, certainly He (Allaah) likes not Al‑Musrifoon (those who waste by extravagance)”

    [al-A’raaf 7:31]

    This prohibition on extravagance in eating and drinking is general in meaning and does not apply to any particular type of food or drink.

    pig meat in any form is haram.

    “He has forbidden you only Al Maitah (meat of a dead animal), blood, the flesh of swine, and any animal which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, and not transgressing, then, Allaah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful

    [al-Nahl 16:115]

    all plants are halal, unless they are poisonous or detrimental to your health.

    Animals must be killed in the most merciful way, and that means by swift slaughter with very sharp blade. If it is killed by any other forms (such as clubbing or electrocution, then it is haram)

    all which comes from the sea are halal:
    --------------------------------
    Are there any types of seafood that Muslims are not permitted to eat?
    Please forgive me for my ignorance in this matter. I am very interested in learning the ways of Islam. My question concerns dietary rulings. What types of fish and seafood are permissible?
    Thank you for your help.

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Among the blessings that Allaah has bestowed upon us is the fact that He has made our religion easy for us, and has not made it too difficult or unbearable. He has allowed us many things that were forbidden according to previously-revealed laws. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… Allaah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you…” [al-Baqarah 2:185].

    Hence all kinds of food from the sea are permissible, whether they are plants or animals, alive or dead. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Lawful to you is (the pursuit of) water-game and its use for food – for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel…” [al-Maa’idah 5:96]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “ Sayduhu (lit. hunting, pursuit) refers to whatever is taken from it alive, and ta’aamuhu (lit. its food) means whatever is taken dead.”

    There are a few things – certain types of water animals – which some scholars exclude from the permission outlined above. These are:

    Crocodiles. The correct view is that eating these is not allowed, because they have fangs and live on land – even though they may spend a lot of time in the water – so precedence should be given to the reason for forbidding it (it is a land animal that has fangs).

    Frogs. It is not permitted to eat them because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing them, as is reported in the hadeeth of ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Uthmaan, who said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the killing of frogs. (Narrated by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Maajah; see also Saheeh al-Jaami, 6970). The rule is that everything which we are forbidden to kill, we are not allowed to eat; if we are allowed to eat it we are allowed to kill it.

    Some scholars exclude sea snakes, but the correct view is that as they live nowhere except in the water, we are permitted to eat them, because of the general nature of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “Lawful to you is (the pursuit of) water-game and its use for food – for the benefit of yourselves …” [al-Maa’idah 5:96].

    Otters and turtles. The correct view is that to be on the safe side, it is permissible to eat them after slaughtering them properly, because they live both on land and in the sea. Here the rule is that in the case of animals that live both on land and in the sea, the rules concerning land animals should be given precedence, to be on the safe side, so they must be slaughtered properly, except for crabs which do not need to be slaughtered, even though they live both on land and in the sea, because they do not have blood.

    Everything that can cause harm is forbidden as food, even if it comes from the sea, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you.” [al-Nisa’ 4:29] and: “… and do not throw yourselves into destruction…” [al-Baqarah 2:195].

    (See al-Mughni, 11/83; Haashiyah al-Rawd, 7/430; Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/197; and Ahkaam al-At’imah by al-Fawzaan).

    And Allaah knows best.
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    And Allah SWT warns people who make things halal become haram:

    “O you who believe! Make not unlawful the tayyibaat (all that is good) which Allaah has made lawful to you, and transgress not. Verily, Allaah does not like the transgressors.” [al-Maa’idah 5:87]

    “Say: ‘Who has forbidden the adornment with clothes given by Allaah, which He has produced for His slaves, and al-Tayyibaat [all kinds of halaal (lawful) things] of food?’ Say: ‘They are, in the life of this world, for those who believe, (and) exclusively for them (believers) on the Day of Resurrection (the disbelievers will not share them).’ Thus We explain the aayaat (Islamic law) in detail for people who have knowledge.” [al-A‘raaf 7:32]

    “Say: ‘Tell me, what provision Allaah has sent down to you! And you have made of it lawful and unlawful.’ Say: ‘has Allaah permitted you (to do so), or do you invent a lie against Allaah?’” [Yoonus 10:59]

    Allaah has also warned His slave against forbidding anything without knowledge. He said (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: ‘This is lawful and this is forbidden,’ so as to invent lies against Allaah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allaah will never prosper.” [al-Nahl 16:116]

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    Quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    Unlike kosher food, whose regulation are quite complex, halal food requirement are very easy to follow, as Islam does not make things difficult.

    With regard to food, the Qur’aan forbids some foods and mentions them in detail, and some others are mentioned in the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    The Qur’aan mentions some general principles that have to do with food, then all of that is explained in detail in the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    Some of the issues that are discussed in detail in the Qur’aan are the following. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): ‘I find not in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maytah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of swine (pork); for that surely, is impure or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But whosoever is forced by necessity without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits; (for him) certainly, your Lord is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful’”

    [al-An’aam 6:145]

    “Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al‑Maitah (the dead animals — cattle — beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering (that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah, or has been slaughtered for idols) and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns — and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal — unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death) ‑ and that which is sacrificed (slaughtered) on An‑Nusub (stone‑altars). (Forbidden) also is to use arrows seeking luck or decision; (all) that is Fisqun (disobedience of Allaah and sin)”

    [al-Maa’idah 5:3]

    With regard to some principles, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “and eat and drink but waste not by extravagance, certainly He (Allaah) likes not Al‑Musrifoon (those who waste by extravagance)”

    [al-A’raaf 7:31]

    This prohibition on extravagance in eating and drinking is general in meaning and does not apply to any particular type of food or drink.

    pig meat in any form is haram.

    “He has forbidden you only Al Maitah (meat of a dead animal), blood, the flesh of swine, and any animal which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, and not transgressing, then, Allaah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful

    [al-Nahl 16:115]

    all plants are halal, unless they are poisonous or detrimental to your health.

    Animals must be killed in the most merciful way, and that means by swift slaughter with very sharp blade. If it is killed by any other forms (such as clubbing or electrocution, then it is haram)

    all which comes from the sea are halal:
    --------------------------------
    Are there any types of seafood that Muslims are not permitted to eat?
    Please forgive me for my ignorance in this matter. I am very interested in learning the ways of Islam. My question concerns dietary rulings. What types of fish and seafood are permissible?
    Thank you for your help.

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Among the blessings that Allaah has bestowed upon us is the fact that He has made our religion easy for us, and has not made it too difficult or unbearable. He has allowed us many things that were forbidden according to previously-revealed laws. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… Allaah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you…” [al-Baqarah 2:185].

    Hence all kinds of food from the sea are permissible, whether they are plants or animals, alive or dead. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Lawful to you is (the pursuit of) water-game and its use for food – for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel…” [al-Maa’idah 5:96]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “ Sayduhu (lit. hunting, pursuit) refers to whatever is taken from it alive, and ta’aamuhu (lit. its food) means whatever is taken dead.”

    There are a few things – certain types of water animals – which some scholars exclude from the permission outlined above. These are:

    Crocodiles. The correct view is that eating these is not allowed, because they have fangs and live on land – even though they may spend a lot of time in the water – so precedence should be given to the reason for forbidding it (it is a land animal that has fangs).

    Frogs. It is not permitted to eat them because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing them, as is reported in the hadeeth of ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Uthmaan, who said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the killing of frogs. (Narrated by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Maajah; see also Saheeh al-Jaami, 6970). The rule is that everything which we are forbidden to kill, we are not allowed to eat; if we are allowed to eat it we are allowed to kill it.

    Some scholars exclude sea snakes, but the correct view is that as they live nowhere except in the water, we are permitted to eat them, because of the general nature of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “Lawful to you is (the pursuit of) water-game and its use for food – for the benefit of yourselves …” [al-Maa’idah 5:96].

    Otters and turtles. The correct view is that to be on the safe side, it is permissible to eat them after slaughtering them properly, because they live both on land and in the sea. Here the rule is that in the case of animals that live both on land and in the sea, the rules concerning land animals should be given precedence, to be on the safe side, so they must be slaughtered properly, except for crabs which do not need to be slaughtered, even though they live both on land and in the sea, because they do not have blood.

    Everything that can cause harm is forbidden as food, even if it comes from the sea, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you.” [al-Nisa’ 4:29] and: “… and do not throw yourselves into destruction…” [al-Baqarah 2:195].

    (See al-Mughni, 11/83; Haashiyah al-Rawd, 7/430; Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/197; and Ahkaam al-At’imah by al-Fawzaan).

    And Allaah knows best.
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    -------------------------

    And Allah SWT warns people who make things halal become haram:

    “O you who believe! Make not unlawful the tayyibaat (all that is good) which Allaah has made lawful to you, and transgress not. Verily, Allaah does not like the transgressors.” [al-Maa’idah 5:87]

    “Say: ‘Who has forbidden the adornment with clothes given by Allaah, which He has produced for His slaves, and al-Tayyibaat [all kinds of halaal (lawful) things] of food?’ Say: ‘They are, in the life of this world, for those who believe, (and) exclusively for them (believers) on the Day of Resurrection (the disbelievers will not share them).’ Thus We explain the aayaat (Islamic law) in detail for people who have knowledge.” [al-A‘raaf 7:32]

    “Say: ‘Tell me, what provision Allaah has sent down to you! And you have made of it lawful and unlawful.’ Say: ‘has Allaah permitted you (to do so), or do you invent a lie against Allaah?’” [Yoonus 10:59]

    Allaah has also warned His slave against forbidding anything without knowledge. He said (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: ‘This is lawful and this is forbidden,’ so as to invent lies against Allaah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allaah will never prosper.” [al-Nahl 16:116]
    Thank you for that extensive reply! God be with you.

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    Default Re: Who says Muslims can't be Vegetarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Prince View Post
    i just had some chicken, tasted real gooddddddd, you missing out!
    Lol, that's mean.

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