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Default Re: Can't read Surah Ikhlas? - 05-29-2008

Selam aleykum we rahmetallahu,

Note, this is according to the Hanafi madhab, inshaAllah.

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So just to clarify it, For example Asr prayer: 4 rakat Fard , that means first rakah fatiha and then Ichlaas and second rakah again fatiha and then Surah Al-Falaq and third rakah only Fatiha And fourth Rakah Again only Fatiha , correct ?????
As far as I have understood it in that example given, according to the Hanafi madhab, that is correct. See below.

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QIRAAT: Means to read by mouth gently. Reading gently means here to read only as loud as one can hear. The reading is called jahri, that is, loud if it is heard by people who stand on each side of the reader. It is fard to say an ayat of the Qur'an while standing at every rakat of sunnats and of the witr and at two rakats of the fard when performing namaz individually. It brings more thawab to say a short sura. As qiraat, it is wajib to say the Fatiha sura at these parts of prayers and to say also a sura or three ayats at every rakat of sunnats and of witr prayer and at two rakats of the fard. In the fard (prayers of namaz that are obligatory), it is wajib or sunnat to say the Fatiha and the (other) sura at the first two rakats. Additionally, it is wajib to say the Fatiha before the sura. Furthermore, it is wajib to say the Fatiha once at every rakat. If one of these five wajibs is forgotten, it is necessary to make sajda-i shaw. According to some more dependable information, at third and fourth rakats of the fard, it is sunnat for the imam as well as for a person who performs namaz by oneself to say the Fatiha. It will be all right whether he says the additional sura, too, or says nothing. (Ibni Abidin, page 343). Please see the sixty-seventh chapter of the Turkish version concerning a person who does not pronounce correctly! In the other three Madhhabs, it is fard to say the Fatiha in every namaz and in every rakat.

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Hazrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (radhiallahu anhu) was asked: "Must the muqtadi recite behind the Imam?" He replied that the qiraat of the Imam is sufficient for the muqtadi. But if he performs salah individually, then he must recite qiraat. It was the practice of Hazrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (radhiallahu anhu) also that he would not recite surah fatiha behind the Imam. (In Aathaarus Sunan (Vol. 1 pg.89) this Hadith has been classified as sahih).
Hazrat Jaabir (radhiallahu anhu) narrates that the one who does not recite sura fatiha even in one rakat, his salah is not valid. However, if he is behind an Imam he must not recite surah fatiha. (This Hadith has been classified as hasan — Tirmizi - ch. on not reciting behind the Imam). It is on the basis of this Hadith that Imam Tirmidhi (R.A.) has narrated from Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (R.A.) [who was the teacher of the ustad of Imam Bukhari (R.A.)] that the narration "Whoever does not recite surah fatiha his salah is not complete" refers to one who performs his salah alone. It does not include the muqtadi (Jami’ Tirmidhi, ibid). In the above Hadith it is very clearly mentioned that the muqtadi must not recite sura fatiha.
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WAJIBS of NAMAZ, SAJDA-I SAHW

The wajibs of namaz are to say (the sura of) Fatiha, to say one additional sura or ayat after the Fatiha, to say the additional sura in the first and second rakats of the fard prayers and in every rakat of the sunnats, to make the (two) sajdas one right after the other, to sit as long as the tashahhud in the second rakat, to say the Attahiyyatu while sitting in the last rakat, to make the tadil-i arkan, i.e. to be still as long as to say 'Subhanallah', [It is sunnat to be still longer than that.] to say "assalamu..." at the end of namaz, to say the qunut prayer, to say, for the imam, the ayats loudly in the prayers of morning, Friday, Iyd, Tarawih, Witr, and in the first two rakats of evening and night prayers, and finally to recite, for the imam as well as for a person performing namaz by himself, the ayats on the level of a whisper in the early and late afternoon prayers, in the third rakat of the evening prayer and in the third and fourth rakats of the night prayer. It is written is Bazaziyya that it is not makruh for one's recitation to be in a whisper to be heard by one or two people and that 'reciting loudly' means having been heard by many people.
Here is an excellent PDF-file if you want to check it out (again, Hanafi), page 115.

http://www.dawateislami.org/library/.../lit-417-1.pdf
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Default Re: Can't read Surah Ikhlas? - 05-29-2008

OO Jazakallahu Khair, Now everthing is clear to me (I think)

So in the fard prayer you have to read after Fatiha in the first two rakah, a Surah of your choice and in the third and fourth rakah only Fatiha Is enough.
and if its a sunnah prayer you have to read In every rakah after fatiha a surah of your choice correct ??

and I just learned yesterday the Surah Al-Kafiroon so If I read it in the first rakah after fatiha then I Have to read in the second rakah Surah An-Nasr??
Or Ichlaas Or doesnt it matter ???

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OO Jazakallahu Khair, Now everthing is clear to me (I think)

So in the fard prayer you have to read after Fatiha in the first two rakah, a Surah of your choice and in the third and fourth rakah only Fatiha Is enough.
and if its a sunnah prayer you have to read In every rakah after fatiha a surah of your choice correct ??

and I just learned yesterday the Surah Al-Kafiroon so If I read it in the first rakah after fatiha then I Have to read in the second rakah Surah An-Nasr??
Or Ichlaas Or doesnt it matter ???

btw Im Sorry I ask too much, I prayed for years but nobody taught me properly
I dont know if you have to read a surah after surah fatiha, and I dont know about having to read in orders.
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Default Re: Can't read Surah Ikhlas? - 05-29-2008

I found A hadith wich says :

Hudhaifa reported: I prayed with the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) one night and he started reciting al-Baqara. I thought that he would bow at the end of one hundred verses, but he proceeded on; I then thought that he would perhaps recite the whole (surah) in a rak'ah, but he proceeded and I thought he would perhaps bow on completing (this surah). He then started al-Nisa', and recited it; he then started Al-i-'Imran and recited leisurely. And when he recited the verses which referred to the Glory of Allah, he glorified (by saying Subhan Allah-Glory to my Lord the Great), and when he recited the verses which tell (how the Lord) is to be begged, he (the Holy Prophet) would then beg (from Him), and when he recited the verses dealing with protection from the Lord, he sought (His) protection and would then bow and say: Glory be to my Mighty Lord; his bowing lasted about the same length of time as his standing (and then on returning to the standing posture after ruku') he would say: Allah listened to him who praised Him, and he would then stand about the same length of time as he had spent in bowing. He would then prostrate himself and say: Glory be to my Lord most High, and his prostration lasted nearly the same length of time as his standing. In the hadith transmitted by Jarir the words are:" He (the Holy Prophet) would say:" Allah listened to him who praised Him, our Lord, to Thee i the praise."
Book 004, Number 1697:Sahih Muslim

So this means The Prophet (Saw) first reads Baqarah(2) and then Surah Nisa(4) and then surah Al-imraan (3) so not necessarly in a order,
please correct me if im wrong.
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We iyyak.

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OO Jazakallahu Khair, Now everthing is clear to me (I think)

So in the fard prayer you have to read after Fatiha in the first two rakah, a Surah of your choice and in the third and fourth rakah only Fatiha Is enough.
and if its a sunnah prayer you have to read In every rakah after fatiha a surah of your choice correct ??
Correct, inshaAllah.

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and I just learned yesterday the Surah Al-Kafiroon so If I read it in the first rakah after fatiha then I Have to read in the second rakah Surah An-Nasr??
Or Ichlaas Or doesnt it matter ???

There was a post on this somewhere in the beginning of this thread.

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I was told when I was taught to pray that, when reciting the surahs after Surah Fatihah that these surahs must be recited in the order that they are in the Qur'an. So that when reading 2 rak'as the first rak'a you could read Surah Al-Ikhlas and then the 2nd you would have to read Surah An-Nas or Surah Al-Falaq. Could your please clarify this.
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In the name of Allah, most Gracious and Merciful

Assalamu Alaykum,

Reciting the suras in the order that they are in the Qur'an is necessary (wajib) in the obligatory prayer. Deliberately reciting in a reversed order is prohibitively disliked (makruh tahriman). It is also prohibitively disliked to deliberately leave out a sura between two suras. For example, if one recites surat al-Ikhlas in the first prayer cycle, than one must necessarily recite surat al-Falaq in the second prayer cycle. If one recites surat al-Masad instead, or surat al-Nas, than it would be prohibitively disliked (on the condition that one does so deliberately). This is because in the first example, one recites in reverse, and in the second example, one leaves out a sura (surat al-Falaq) between two suras. None of this is disliked in the voluntary (nafl) prayer. [Durr al-Mukhtar, Radd al-Muhtar, page 367 volume 1]

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OO Jazakallahu Khair, Now everthing is clear to me (I think)

So in the fard prayer you have to read after Fatiha in the first two rakah, a Surah of your choice and in the third and fourth rakah only Fatiha Is enough.
and if its a sunnah prayer you have to read In every rakah after fatiha a surah of your choice correct ??

and I just learned yesterday the Surah Al-Kafiroon so If I read it in the first rakah after fatiha then I Have to read in the second rakah Surah An-Nasr??
Or Ichlaas Or doesnt it matter ???

btw Im Sorry I ask too much, I prayed for years but nobody taught me properly
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and if its a sunnah prayer you have to read In every rakah after fatiha a surah of your choice correct ??

Correct, inshaAllah.
So is this saying if I'm praying I have to read Al Fatiha and then I HAVE TO, meaning it is obligatory for me to read another surah too?
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^ Only in the first 2 rakah's, as it said in the fatwa you posted earlier on.
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Praise be to Allaah.

1 – Reciting Qur’aan after al-Faatihah in prayer is not obligatory, either in a fard (obligatory) prayer or a naafil (supererogatory) prayer, whether the prayer is one in which Qur’aan is recited out loud or one in which it is recited silently, whether one is joining the prayer late or otherwise.



It was narrated that ‘Ata’ said: Abu Hurayrah said: In every prayer there is recitation. What we heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, we tell you, and what he did not tell us about we cannot tell you. Whoever recites Umm al-Kitaab (i.e., Soorat al-Faatihah) has done enough, and whoever does more than that, that is better.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 738; Muslim, 396.



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The phrase, “Whoever recites Umm al-Kitaab (i.e., Soorat al-Faatihah) has done enough, and whoever does more than that, that is better” indicates that reciting al-Faatihah is obligatory, and that nothing else will do.



It also indicates that reciting a soorah after al-Faatihah is mustahabb (recommended). There is scholarly consensus on this point with regard to Fajr, Jumu’ah and the first two rak’ahs of every prayer, and this is Sunnah according to all scholars. Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad (may Allaah have mercy on him) narrated that some of the companions of Maalik said that reciting a second soorah is obligatory, but this is an odd view which is to be rejected.



With regard to reciting an additional soorah in the third and fourth rak’ahs, there was a difference of opinion among the scholars as to whether it is mustahabb or not. Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) regarded it as makrooh. Al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah be pleased with him) regarded it as mustahabb in his new opinion but not in his old opinion; the old opinion in this case is more correct.
Sharh Muslim, 4/105, 106.



Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
According to the majority of scholars, reciting another soorah (after al-Faatihah) is Sunnah and is not obligatory, because it is obligatory to recite only al-Faatihah.
Al-Sharh al-Mumti’, 3/103



It is permissible for a worshipper to recite another soorah after al-Faatihah in the third and fourth rak’ahs, but he should do that only sometimes; it was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did this according to a hadeeth narrated by Muslim (452).



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Ok I get it now but....my mom called the Imam at our local Masjid and he said if you happen to do it by mistake, which happens sometimes cuz im so used to it, you should do 2 sajadas "after" your salah. What do you guys think of that?
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Ok I get it now but....my mom called the Imam at our local Masjid and he said if you happen to do it by mistake, which happens sometimes cuz im so used to it, you should do 2 sajadas "after" your salah. What do you guys think of that?
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