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    I've recently discovered that IslamicFinder.org has wrong prayer times (according to Moonsighting.com). What they seem to say is pretty true, I checked it myself.

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    I'm sadly shocked because, well, I've been using IslamicFinder for as long as I remember. Meaning I've been praying Fajr and Isha wrong this whole time.

    Can someone please direct me to a site that has the correct prayer time? I'm really confused as to which is right...

    Jazakumullah Khair for all the help.


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    Quote Originally Posted by seekerofjannah View Post


    I've recently discovered that IslamicFinder.org has wrong prayer times (according to Moonsighting.com). What they seem to say is pretty true, I checked it myself.

    Link

    I'm sadly shocked because, well, I've been using IslamicFinder for as long as I remember. Meaning I've been praying Fajr and Isha wrong this whole time.

    Can someone please direct me to a site that has the correct prayer time? I'm really confused as to which is right...

    Jazakumullah Khair for all the help.

    Assalamualikum.Well there is no error at all alhamdulilah.If you are using their athan software,do not forget to click the day light saving if u do have day light saving.There might be one or 2 minutes difference but they are just perfect to be used and most recomended software.


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    I have checked some Indonesian cities prayer times in www.islamicfinder.com and compared it with prayer times in some Indonesian website. frankly, I found prayer times in IslamicFinder is inaccurate.

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    That makes me worried as well as this is what I've also been using for my prayer times. Maybe it's about those different calculation methods, the usual one on islamicfinder.org I think is that of Muslim World League, others are Egyptian Authority, Karachi University, Umm Al-Qura and North America.
    It also allows to adjust the fajr and ishaa times by minutes and degrees.

    Anyways, I really hope someone can shed some more light on this matter as we all know that having right prayer times is quite important in Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    I have checked some Indonesian cities prayer times in www.islamicfinder.com and compared it with prayer times in some Indonesian website. frankly, I found prayer times in IslamicFinder is inaccurate.
    I must clarify. Not all but only few cities, from many.

    I think this error was caused by human error. Maybe the data input officers made mistake when they input cities location.

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    ^But, people have noticed it and have emailed them, there hasn't been anything saying that they have corrected it.

    W'Allahu Alem. Maybe they have only corrected those that have been mentioned were innacurate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by seekerofjannah View Post
    ^But, people have noticed it and have emailed them, there hasn't been anything saying that they have corrected it.

    W'Allahu Alem. Maybe they have only corrected those that have been mentioned were innacurate.
    The best any on line prayer time finder can do is to have the prayer times correspond with the Masjid nearest you, that has linked with the finder. Unless you know your exact geographical co-ordinates and can enter them instead of the name of a city or Masjid. Also the closer you get to either the Arctic or Antarctic circle the less likely you will find any agreement from anybody about prayer times. Just a few hundred miles north of me the sun will not set until Sept 21 and then will not rise again until March 21, 2011. It is very complex to figure prayer times and requires the input from a scholar and the closest Masjid.

    Try to find the prayer times for Yellowknife, NWT Canada. They even give the times for sunrise, except there is no morning sunrise. The sun has been up since March





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    I found quite a detailed explanation on prayer times in the areas of higher latitudes that
    can be found here. It also gives 4 different solutions for ishaa and prayer times in these regions.

    Although this writing is quite informative I still cannot decide on how to act with ishaa and fajr times
    here (my latitude is about 58 degrees) and whether to stop using islamicfinder.org or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    The best any on line prayer time finder can do is to have the prayer times correspond with the Masjid nearest you, that has linked with the finder. Unless you know your exact geographical co-ordinates and can enter them instead of the name of a city or Masjid. Also the closer you get to either the Arctic or Antarctic circle the less likely you will find any agreement from anybody about prayer times. Just a few hundred miles north of me the sun will not set until Sept 21 and then will not rise again until March 21, 2011. It is very complex to figure prayer times and requires the input from a scholar and the closest Masjid.

    Try to find the prayer times for Yellowknife, NWT Canada. They even give the times for sunrise, except there is no morning sunrise. The sun has been up since March
    For Yellowknife, they might have putten the sunrise time according to the calculation without knowing that the sun isn't setting. Islamicity has the time for sunrise too.

    I checked my masjid's website and they also use IslamicFinder. Perhaps my city isn't one of those who have the innacurate time. Allahu Alem. I'll have to ask them.


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    Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmetulahi Wa Barakatu,
    I suggest go to ur nearest Masjid, if thats not possible
    try this website.
    guidedways(dot)com/prayertimes/
    It has close to accurate times for me.
    Hope it helps Insha'Allah.

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    Assalamu Alaikum,

    I too have noticed that the times Islamic Finder gives and the mosques in my area are very different. Hence, i've never used them. If possible, go to your local mosque and get a timetable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salam:) View Post
    Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmetulahi Wa Barakatu,
    Wa Alaykumu Salam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,

    I suggest go to ur nearest Masjid, if thats not possible
    try this website.
    guidedways(dot)com/prayertimes/
    It has close to accurate times for me.
    Hope it helps Insha'Allah.
    My masjid uses IslamicFinder too. JazakAllah Khair for the link. I'm very familiar with Guidedways, alhamdulillah. I compared it to IslamicFinder and I found a minute or two difference except with Maghrib and Isha, that's 3-4 mins different. As sister revert2007 said, I don't think it's a problem iA.


    Quote Originally Posted by abbas_ali View Post
    Assalamu Alaikum,
    Wa Alaykumu Salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh,

    I too have noticed that the times Islamic Finder gives and the mosques in my area are very different. Hence, i've never used them. If possible, go to your local mosque and get a timetable.
    JazakAllah Khair. As I've mentioned above, my masjid uses IslmaicFinder. But I decided that with Ramadhan being so close, I'm going to get the ramadhan timetable instead inshaAllah.

    For those who are interested, here's a site that gives you your city's timetable.
    http://www.iqama.com/
    (Click on 'Print Ramadan Timetable')


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    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

    If humans are involved fallibility is inevitable.

    We should only use the technology tools as a guide because human error will render the tools ineffective.

    Surah An Nisa 4:103

    103. When you have finished As-Salât (the prayer - congregational), remember Allâh standing, sitting down, and lying down on your sides, but when you are free from danger, perform As-Salât (Iqâmat*as* Salât). Verily, the prayer is enjoined on the believers at fixed hours.
    (Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)
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    Sahih Bukhari (Times of Prayer) Volume 1, Book 10, Number 516:

    Narrated Abu Al-Minhal:


    Abu Barza said, "The Prophet used to offer the Fajr (prayer) when one could recognize the person sitting by him (after the prayer) and he used to recite between 60 to 100 Ayat (verses) of the Qur'an. He used to offer the Zuhr prayer as soon as the sun declined (at noon) and the 'Asr at a time when a man might go and return from the farthest place in Medina and find the sun still hot. (The sub-narrator forgot what was said about the Maghrib). He did not mind delaying the 'Isha prayer to one third of the night or the middle of the night."
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    Sahih Bukhari (Times of Prayer) Volume 1, Book 10, Number 540:



    Narrated Muhammad bin 'Amr:


    We asked Jabir bin 'Abdullah about the prayers of the Prophet . He said, "He used to pray Zuhr prayer at mid-day, the 'Asr when the sun was still hot, and the Maghrib after sunset (at its stated time). The 'Isha was offered early if the people gathered, and used to be delayed if their number was less; and the morning prayer was offered when it was still dark. "

    ___________________________
    Sahih Bukhari (Times of Prayer) Volume 1, Book 10, Number 519:



    Narrated Aisha:


    Allah's Apostle used to offer the 'Asr prayer when the sunshine had not disappeared from my chamber.

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    The best advice was provided. Go to your local Masjid if you have concerns about your times.

    Lets find more solutions then finding more problems.

    This post was submitted with the best intentions and the best construction should be applied.

    Jazakumullahu Khair


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    Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
    ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
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    Times are accurate for all cities of Saudi Arabia according to Umm-al-Qurra calc method on Islamic finder. I compared with the national newspaper(Aran News) and it's all good.
    But when I used in Sri Lanka I remember that the prayer time for Maghrib and Isha were off by 2-3 minutes. My solution was to wait about 5 - 10 minutes after the Islamic finder adhan and then pray.

    ^Brother Sabr* above me has a very good point. During Rasulullah's time there were not accurate methods of calculating exact prayer times like we do now. I also find it difficult to understand how prayer times for a particular day can be decided months ahead. And it's not like we should run to the musalla at the very instance that he hear the adhan, so accurate to the minute calculation really aren't something we cannot we live without.

    My grandma once showed me a prayer time table she had for "all years" - according to the Gregorian calendar. This is another thing I find difficult to understand. What happens on a leap year then?

    Last edited by manaal; 08-17-2010 at 11:49 PM.


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