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Faizah · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-23-2007

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Originally Posted by Alpha Dude

I agree with IAH's post on this matter.

You are entitled to your opinion, but know that bid'ah is of two types. The second type is:

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The Second Type: Innovation in the acts of worship; Such as worshipping Allaah with an act of worship which is not legislated. And it has divisions,

The first division: It has no origin (asl) in worship, rather it is a newly invented form of worship having no origin in the law (Shar'); Such as inventing prayer not legislated, or fasts not having a Sharee'ah legislated origin, or days of celebration such as the celebration of birthdays, and other than that.

The second division: What exists from additions in the legislated worship, like if one were to add a fifth raka'ah in the Noon (Dhuhr) prayer, or the afternoon ('Asr) prayer for example.

The third division: What exists in the characteristics of carrying out legislated worship. To perform it on a manner not legislated; such as carrying out legislated remembrances (Adhkaar singular: Dhikr) in simultaneous and melodious voices, and such as being extreme on oneself in worship to the point of leaving from the Sunnah of the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam).

The fourth division: What exists from specification of a time for legislated worship which was not specified by the law (shar') such as specifying the middle night of Sha'abaan and it's day for fasting and prayer. So verily fasting and praying have a basis in the Religion, but specifying them to a time from amongst the times is in need of a proof.

This is an extract from the following post:
http://www.islamicboard.com/734968-post6.html (Bid'ah Hasanah ("Good Innovations"))

So I agree with the fatwa committee on this one.

Fighting4Iman · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-23-2007

^ we've already said its not even about specifying it, we just sometimes get happy and feel close to Allah so we wanna raise our hands and ask Allah for something hoping for it to get accepted. We dont do this understanding that asking Allah for help is sunnah, therefore there is space in shariah for it...

Allahu a'lam

lets not discuss it nemore, seriously its getting drawn out

Faizah · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-23-2007

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Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

^ we've already said its not even about specifying it, we just sometimes get happy and feel close to Allah so we wanna raise our hands and ask Allah for something hoping for it to get accepted. We dont do this understanding that asking Allah for help is sunnah, therefore there is space in shariah for it...

Allahu a'lam

To my understanding, this fatwa (based on other fataawa that I have read) is talking about making it in to a sort of ritual. Like doing this habitually. And remember that just because you don't think something is Sunnah, it doesn't mean there is space for it in the Sunnah. Allahu A'lam.

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lets not discuss it nemore, seriously its getting drawn out

Sure, fine.

**Alpha Dude™** · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-23-2007

But, Muhammad Alshareef mentioned that we are NOT setting that time out specifically, we're not making it obligatory on anybody...it's not being legislated, so how can it be considered something of the following type?

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ayhi wa sallam).

The fourth division: What exists from specification of a time for legislated worship which was not specified by the law (shar') such as specifying the middle night of Sha'abaan and it's day for fasting and prayer. So verily fasting and praying have a basis in the Religion, but specifying them to a time from amongst the times is in need of a proof.

Faizah · 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Alpha Dude

But, Muhammad Alshareef mentioned that we are NOT setting that time out specifically, we're not making it obligatory on anybody...it's not being legislated, so how can it be considered something of the following type?

Do you mean, once in a while when you feel like it you raise your hand after the salaah? If so, then no it wouldn't fit into that category. I was referring to those who raise their hand after every salah, or every fardh salah, habitually, yet do not say that it is sunnah or legislated, etc. Because that's still specifying a time for raising your hands after salah that Allah and His Messenger did not specify. You're specifying it through your actions.

Silver Pearl · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-24-2007

Aswad bin Amir narrates; I prayed the Fajr behind the Messenger of Allah (Salallahu aleyhi was sallam).When he finished it with the salutation, he turned himself, raised his hands and made a supplication.
(Tabarani in Mujam al Kabir)

Abdullah ibn Zubayr (Allah be pleased with him) a person raising his handsand supplicating before he completed his prayer. When he ended his prayer, he said to him: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) never used to raise his handsuntil after completing his prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in his al-Mu’jam, and authenticated by al-Haythami in Majma’ al-Zawaid)

There are many ahadeeth that shows that the prophet (may the peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, his household and his companions and those who follow him) raised his hands after prayers. There is a difference between saying it is permissible and saying it is fard. I don't know anyone who holds the opinion that it is fard, however, many agree that it is permissible.

It shows that there is two sides to this, there is little benefit in quarreling about a matter that even scholars could not all agree upon.

We should really focus on things that will bring us closer to Allaah, arguing about matters of fiqh when we are ignorant is not going to do us any favours.

Wa Allaahu'3llaam.

Faizah · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-24-2007

Some more fataawa....

With regard to du’aa’ after the salaam, what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to do is to say, after finishing the prayer: Astghfir Allaah, astaghfir Allaah astaghfir Allaah (I seek the forgiveness of Allaah, I seek the forgiveness of Allaah, I seek the forgiveness of Allaah). Then he would say all the dhikrs that are narrated at this time. See question no. 7646.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

There is no saheeh report to say that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to raise his hands following an obligatory prayer, or that his companions (may Allaah have mercy on them) did that, as far as we know. What some people do, raising their hands after the prayer, is a bid’aah (innovation) for which there is no basis.

Al-Fataawa, 1/74.

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Question: I have heard that after the obligatory prayer, one should offer a supplication, because that is the time that supplications are accepted the most. Is this True? Is it particularly recommended to offer supplications after offering our formal prayers?

Answered by Sheikh Muhammad b. Sâlih al-`Uthaymîn

It is not prescribed for a person upon completing prayer to raise his hands in supplication. If the person wishes to offer supplications, he should know that offering the supplication while in prayer is better than offering it after completing the prayer.

This is what our Prophet (peace be upon him) guided us to. In a hadîth narrated by Ibn Mas`ûd, when the Prophet (peace be upon him) mentioned completing the tashahhud, he said: “Then he should offer any supplication that he wishes.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]

What we see some people doing is that every time they offer a prayer, as soon as they say the taslîm they invariably raise their hands. Sometimes they do so for such a brief moment that is scarcely enough time to actually supplicate – but is more like a formality of raising the hands – and then some of them wipe their faces. They offer up this practice after each prayer to preserve what they think is a prescribed act of supplication.

However, no such act is prescribed. Making such an unwavering habit of doing so actually becomes an innovation.

And Allah knows best.

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By Sheikh `Abd al-Rahmân al-`Ajlân, lecturer at the Grand Mosque in Mecca

With respect to the five obligatory prayers, the scholars have determined that it is not best to supplicate immediately thereafter. This is because there is something else which is strongly encouraged for us to engage in at that time – the prescribed remembrances. It is not recommended for the worshipper to busy himself with something else – even something that is good in and of itself – at the expense of a prescribed Sunnah.

With respect to the time after completing a voluntary prayer, there is nothing specifically mentioned in the Sunnah to recommend it as a time to single out for supplications. Therefore, we should not treat it as a special time to set aside for our supplications.

However, the time after one makes the taslîm form a voluntary prayer is just like any other time. A person is free to supplicate at this time as the inclination takes him. Supplication is a generally encouraged form of worship.

And Allah knows best.

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00:00 · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-24-2007

SO it's not part of the sunnah to raise your hands in dua. than why do ppl do it? and when did this practise start ppl raising their hands after prayer.

Silver Pearl · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-24-2007

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Originally Posted by 00:00

SO it's not part of the sunnah to raise your hands in dua. than why do ppl do it? and when did this practise start ppl raising their hands after prayer.

Abdullah ibn Zubayr (Allah be pleased with him) a person raising his handsand supplicating before he completed his prayer. When he ended his prayer, he said to him: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) never used to raise his hands until after completing his prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in his al-Mu’jam, and authenticated by al-Haythami in Majma’ al-Zawaid)

There are no ulama here, just us ignorant individuals. We are blind ourselves and have no authority to lead the blind. Speak to a sheikh of your local Masjid Inshallaah.

Ya rabb, Indeed we slaves are straying, so guide us, forgive us and have mercy on our weak souls.

Faizah · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-24-2007

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Originally Posted by 00:00

SO it's not part of the sunnah to raise your hands in dua. than why do ppl do it? and when did this practise start ppl raising their hands after prayer.

No. What this fatwa and others state is that it is not Sunnah to:

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Raising the hands in duaa (supplication) after the 5 prayers

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raise his hands following an obligatory prayer

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upon completing prayer to raise his hands in supplication

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With respect to the time after completing a voluntary prayer, there is nothing specifically mentioned in the Sunnah to recommend it as a time to single out for supplications. Therefore, we should not treat it as a special time to set aside for our supplications.

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no such act is prescribed. Making such an unwavering habit of doing so actually becomes an innovation.

00:00 · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-24-2007

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No. What this fatwa and others state is that it is not Sunnah to:

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Raising the hands in duaa (supplication) after the 5 prayers

From this hadith it says that the Prophet did.

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Abdullah ibn Zubayr (Allah be pleased with him) a person raising his handsand supplicating before he completed his prayer. When he ended his prayer, he said to him: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) never used to raise his hands until after completing his prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in his al-Mu’jam, and authenticated by al-Haythami in Majma’ al-Zawaid)

Faizah · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-24-2007

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Originally Posted by Silver Pearl

There are no ulama here, just us ignorant individuals. We are blind ourselves and have no authority to lead the blind. Speak to a sheikh of your local Masjid Inshallaah.

Ya rabb, Indeed we slaves are straying, so guide us, forgive us and have mercy on our weak souls.

True.

Which is why I choose to follow the fataawah of all these scholars. You've quoted ahadeeth from at-Tabaraani, yet we can't really know whether those ahadeeth are saheeh. Because we are ignorant individuals. In fact, some aspects of the science of ahadeeth were only mstered by only the top muhaditheen, such as spotting an 'illah. So it's not simply a matter of quoting a hadeeth and saying al-Haythami authenticated it. But to each his own. If you have seen fataawa by other scholars who say this is permissible, then feel free to follow that.

I'd personally stay away from something that some scholars are calling a bid'ah because of the severity of this.

Silver Pearl · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-24-2007

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Originally Posted by Al Muwahhidah

True.

Which is why I choose to follow the fataawah of all these scholars. You've quoted ahadeeth from at-Tabaraani, yet we can't really know whether those ahadeeth are saheeh. Because we are ignorant individuals. In fact, some aspects of the science of ahadeeth were only mstered by only the top muhaditheen, such as spotting an 'illah. So it's not simply a matter of quoting a hadeeth and saying al-Haythami authenticated it. But to each his own. If you have seen fataawa by other scholars who say this is permissible, then feel free to follow that.

I'd personally stay away from something that some scholars are calling a bid'ah because of the severity of this.

Al-Haythami (rahimullaah) was amongst the great scholars of Islaam and may Allaah reward him immensely for his efforts. So his ruling on the hadeeth puts alot of weight, its not just any random individual. It is upto each individual whose opinion they follow. To each to his own as you stated

Faizah · **Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers -** 08-24-2007

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Originally Posted by Silver Pearl

Al-Haythami (rahimullaah) was amongst the great scholars of Islaam and may Allaah reward him immensely for his efforts. So his ruling on the hadeeth puts alot of weight, its not just any random individual. It is upto each individual whose opinion they follow. To each to his own as you stated

Ameen. Yeah, I hope it didn't sound like I was belittling al-Haythami, rahimullah. I know he was a great scholar. But what I was saying, is that some of the 'ullemaa had different standards and methodologies in the science of hadeeth. Some of the muhaditheen accepted narrations from innovators, aslong as they weren't callers to their bid'ah. Some accepted it from them aslong as their bid'ah was not severe. Some accepted it aslong as it didn't agree with their bid'ah. Others however, didn't accept ahadeeth from any of the people of innovation, period. This is one example that I know of, and I'm sure a person of knowledge could list many more examples. So one muhaddith may consider a hadeeth to be authentic, whilst others may consider it to be inauthentic. So as laypeople it's better to look to fataawa from the 'ullemaa rather than coming to conclusions after looking at ahadeeth.

BarakAllahu feekum for your contributions, ukhtee.

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Fighting4Iman Fighting4Emaan Status: Online Posts: 16,093 Reputation: 48905 Rep Power: 94 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fighting4Emaan Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers - 08-23-2007 ^ we've already said its not even about specifying it, we just sometimes get happy and feel close to Allah so we wanna raise our hands and ask Allah for something hoping for it to get accepted. We dont do this understanding that asking Allah for help is sunnah, therefore there is space in shariah for it... Allahu a'lam lets not discuss it nemore, seriously its getting drawn out __________________ -Fighting for my Emaan- I Will Not Lose - Never - No Way - Not Ever

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Silver Pearl LI Oldtimer Status: Offline Posts: 941 Reputation: 14036 Rep Power: 40 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wahid minan naas Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers - 08-24-2007 Aswad bin Amir narrates; I prayed the Fajr behind the Messenger of Allah (Salallahu aleyhi was sallam).When he finished it with the salutation, he turned himself, raised his hands and made a supplication. (Tabarani in Mujam al Kabir) Abdullah ibn Zubayr (Allah be pleased with him) a person raising his handsand supplicating before he completed his prayer. When he ended his prayer, he said to him: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) never used to raise his handsuntil after completing his prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in his al-Mu’jam, and authenticated by al-Haythami in Majma’ al-Zawaid) There are many ahadeeth that shows that the prophet (may the peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, his household and his companions and those who follow him) raised his hands after prayers. There is a difference between saying it is permissible and saying it is fard. I don't know anyone who holds the opinion that it is fard, however, many agree that it is permissible. It shows that there is two sides to this, there is little benefit in quarreling about a matter that even scholars could not all agree upon. We should really focus on things that will bring us closer to Allaah, arguing about matters of fiqh when we are ignorant is not going to do us any favours. Wa Allaahu'3llaam. __________________ .: Purifying Intentions :. Dreaming of Sinai.

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Faizah الأ ثرية Status: Offline Posts: 7,387 Reputation: 30303 Rep Power: 65 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ~ Daar as-Sa'aadah ~ Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers - 08-24-2007 Some more fataawa.... With regard to du’aa’ after the salaam, what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to do is to say, after finishing the prayer: Astghfir Allaah, astaghfir Allaah astaghfir Allaah (I seek the forgiveness of Allaah, I seek the forgiveness of Allaah, I seek the forgiveness of Allaah). Then he would say all the dhikrs that are narrated at this time. See question no. 7646. Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: There is no saheeh report to say that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to raise his hands following an obligatory prayer, or that his companions (may Allaah have mercy on them) did that, as far as we know. What some people do, raising their hands after the prayer, is a bid’aah (innovation) for which there is no basis. Al-Fataawa, 1/74. Source Question: I have heard that after the obligatory prayer, one should offer a supplication, because that is the time that supplications are accepted the most. Is this True? Is it particularly recommended to offer supplications after offering our formal prayers? Answered by Sheikh Muhammad b. Sâlih al-`Uthaymîn It is not prescribed for a person upon completing prayer to raise his hands in supplication. If the person wishes to offer supplications, he should know that offering the supplication while in prayer is better than offering it after completing the prayer. This is what our Prophet (peace be upon him) guided us to. In a hadîth narrated by Ibn Mas`ûd, when the Prophet (peace be upon him) mentioned completing the tashahhud, he said: “Then he should offer any supplication that he wishes.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim] What we see some people doing is that every time they offer a prayer, as soon as they say the taslîm they invariably raise their hands. Sometimes they do so for such a brief moment that is scarcely enough time to actually supplicate – but is more like a formality of raising the hands – and then some of them wipe their faces. They offer up this practice after each prayer to preserve what they think is a prescribed act of supplication. However, no such act is prescribed. Making such an unwavering habit of doing so actually becomes an innovation. And Allah knows best. Source By Sheikh `Abd al-Rahmân al-`Ajlân, lecturer at the Grand Mosque in Mecca With respect to the five obligatory prayers, the scholars have determined that it is not best to supplicate immediately thereafter. This is because there is something else which is strongly encouraged for us to engage in at that time – the prescribed remembrances. It is not recommended for the worshipper to busy himself with something else – even something that is good in and of itself – at the expense of a prescribed Sunnah. With respect to the time after completing a voluntary prayer, there is nothing specifically mentioned in the Sunnah to recommend it as a time to single out for supplications. Therefore, we should not treat it as a special time to set aside for our supplications. However, the time after one makes the taslîm form a voluntary prayer is just like any other time. A person is free to supplicate at this time as the inclination takes him. Supplication is a generally encouraged form of worship. And Allah knows best. Source __________________

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00:00 LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 371 Reputation: 1562 Rep Power: 11 Join Date: May 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers - 08-24-2007 SO it's not part of the sunnah to raise your hands in dua. than why do ppl do it? and when did this practise start ppl raising their hands after prayer. __________________ The World is three days: As for yesterday, it has vanished, along with all that was in it. As for tomorrow, you may never see it. As for today, it is yours, so work in it. - Hassan al-Basri