Originally Posted by glo

Thank you, Alpha Dude. I think I have received the answer to my question why - according to Islam - Jesus will return and not Muhammed:

• Because Jesus has not yet died, and all have to taste death
• Because God wills it and God known best

That sounds fine to me, and has answered my question. Thank you all!

I think you misread many posts?
the first point is indeed true
the second point of-- because God wills it and God 'known' best was hardly one of the other reasons although certainly not untrue..

• Jesus will wage a great battle against evil and unite the believers to one faith
• Jesus will lead folks to a mountain in Egypt away from Gog and Magog
• Jesus will kill the antichrist
• Jesus will rule the land for a period of 70, either 70 yrs plus his age or until he is the age of 70, and it will be a time of peace and justice
• Jesus will die as humans do

I hope that this style writing narrows it down!

all the best

Originally Posted by Gossamer skye

I think you misread many posts?
the first point is indeed true
the second point of-- because God wills it and God 'known' best was hardly one of the other reasons although certainly not untrue..

• Jesus will wage a great battle against evil and unite the believers to one faith
• Jesus will lead folks to a mountain in Egypt away from Gog and Magog
• Jesus will kill the antichrist
• Jesus will rule the land for a period of 70, either 70 yrs plus his age or until he is the age of 70, and it will be a time of peace and justice
• Jesus will die as humans do

I hope that this style writing narrows it down!

all the best

Sarcasm is so unbecoming, don't you think sister Skye?
Perhaps you should use text speak ... that would simplify it even further.

Thank you for you list of things of what Islam says Jesus will do when he returns.

The reason I hadn't listed them myself is that none of those were the answer to my question - the question being
"Why will Jesus return, and not Muhammed?" (Not "What will Jesus do when he returns?")

I believe you have answered my question previously, so I will leave it at that:

Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
Jesus (p) didn't die, yet he is human.. and each soul shall have a taste of death, also he is a sign of the end, as in signaling the hour..

Thank you for your efforts. Peace to you.

Originally Posted by glo

Sarcasm is so unbecoming, don't you think sister Skye?
Perhaps you should use text speak ... that would simplify it even further.

Thank you for you list of things of what Islam says Jesus will do when he returns.

The reason I hadn't listed them myself is that none of those were the answer to my question - the question being
"Why will Jesus return, and not Muhammed?" (Not "What will Jesus do when he returns?")

I believe you have answered my question previously, so I will leave it at that:


Thank you for your efforts. Peace to you.

Me sarcastic of you? Pshaw.. how difficult would that be...
Jesus and not Mohammed for all the reasons mentioned above.. Prophet Mohammed has already passed on.. people don't come back from the dead.. Jesus didn't hang around long enough to fulfill his message, and that is why he will descend to fulfill them -- It isn't a Subtotal Thyroidectomy procedue that we are discussing here no?

all the best

Originally Posted by Gossamer skye

Me sarcastic of you? Pshaw.. how difficult would that be...

Sarcasm doesn't some naturally to me, and I don't always recognise it easily either ... less charitable people have called me naive before now ...

I didn't know one could be 'sarcastic of somebody'. What exactly does it mean?

Like I said, my question has been answered very appropriately and I don't need to add to it.
Subtotal Thyroidectomy would be a fine topic too ... but perhaps in another forum section, no?

ok ladies enough now eh! u so similar its scary, warrior women extreme lol

Originally Posted by glo

Sarcasm doesn't some naturally to me, and I don't always recognise it easily either ... less charitable people have called me naive before now ...

I never thought you naive at all.. rather calculating!

Like I said, my question has been answered very appropriately and I don't need to add to it.

Your conclusions were off, I had to correct them, even if not for your sake!

Subtotal Thyroidectomy would be a fine topic too ... but perhaps in another forum section, no?

a concrete thinker?


all the best

Originally Posted by Tony

ok ladies enough now eh! u so similar its scary, warrior women extreme lol

Similar?

I don't think two people could be more different than sister Skye and I.

But you know what they say ... opposites attract!
I love you really, Skye. ((((hugs))))

You both love God and are not frightened of showing it.

Why Jesus (peace be upon him) and not Muhammad (peace be upon him)?

Simple, because Muhammad (peace be upon him) has passed away where as Jesus (peace be upon him) lives.

Originally Posted by glo

But my question takes me back to the one Tony's friend asked originally:

Why is Jesus the one who will return to earth?
To be as a Christian it seems like a very special privilege, and one I might expect to be bestowed to Muhammed as the final and most revered prophet ...

The answer may simply be because God wills it ... but it is an interesting question nonetheless (Well, I thought so! )

Does anybody have any thoughts or views with regards to this specific question?

Originally Posted by Ali_008

You see, he's the only Prophet whose followers believed that he claimed Divinity (i.e. He's God/son of God) and when he will return his main aim will be to refute this claim and bring all the people to the true faith of Monotheism.

This seems like a plausible reason. Allahu alim

Originally Posted by glo

This is an interesting thread.
I have followed some of the links, but I find that they focus very much on Jesus' humanity and on demonstrating that he is not divine. That's understandable, given that this is one of the crucial differences between Islam and Christianity.

But my question takes me back to the one Tony's friend asked originally:

Why is Jesus the one who will return to earth?
To be as a Christian it seems like a very special privilege, and one I might expect to be bestowed to Muhammed as the final and most revered prophet ...

The answer may simply be because God wills it ... but it is an interesting question nonetheless (Well, I thought so! )

Does anybody have any thoughts or views with regards to this specific question?

It is because Christians insist on calling him God and Jews insist on rejecting him. If he himself came down and refuted this, then this would shatter their religions from their roots. As opposed to Muhammad pbuh who would jsut be seen as an enemy to their version of Jesus. It is just logical.

Moreover, the end days will be a battle between polytheism and monotheism. What better way to end it than the man who is worshipped as god to come and say he was not god? And the anti-christ, a man who claims to be god, defeated by the man who was mistakenly worshipped by god?

Anyways, Muhammad pbuh did the most important thing in history, which was to give an unchanging and final scripture for all of man. Jesus pbuh is just there to prove his point and establish the supremacy of Muhammad pbuh's scripture.

Moreover, the only human who is given the power of intercession on Judgement Day is Muhammad pbuh. Not Moses, not Abraham, not Jesus pbut.

Originally Posted by AntiKarateKid

Anyways, Muhammad pbuh did the most important thing in history, which was to give an unchanging and final scripture for all of man. Jesus pbuh is just there to prove his point and establish the supremacy of Muhammad pbuh's scripture.

That reiterates my thinking, AKK.
Muhammed is the greatest of the prophets, whereas Jesus is only considered a minor prophet in Islam.

Moreover, the only human who is given the power of intercession on Judgement Day is Muhammad pbuh. Not Moses, not Abraham, not Jesus pbut.

That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Thank you

Originally Posted by rk9414

This seems like a plausible reason. Allahu alim

Actually, there is no evidence that his followers were the only ones who claimed him to be divine. Remember Uzair? And there have been more than a hundred thousand prophets. There is no way of knowing if the same divinity squabble went down with them too.

Muhammad (pbuh) is the seal and the conclusion of the teaching from G-d. It's not the issue that Jesus is a minor prophet or a major prophet. He's the prophet of his era. Muhammad (pbuh) is the prophet of this era, near doomsday era, so his teaching (scripture) is valid till the doomsday.

Originally Posted by glo

That reiterates my thinking, AKK.
Muhammed is the greatest of the prophets, whereas Jesus is only considered a minor prophet in Islam.

Salaam Sister Glo.

I see what you are trying to say but from my understanding by no means is Jesus PBUH a minor prophet, not at all, he is indeed one of the most noble messengers of Allah swt. I would say that Muhammad PBUH suffered a perhaps a greater deal, although they all suffered enourmously. Jesus PBUHs message lasted six years, while Muhammad PBUH message lasted 20years. And in Islam the more you patiently wait through hardship the greater your reward, probably one of the reasons Allah swt promised him Al-waselah (A rank above all other heavens).

Muhammad PBUH was aslo the one who revealed to us the Quran through Allah swt. It says in the Glorious Quran in Surah Al Anfal Ch8 V28 that Muhammad PBUH was sent down for the whole of mankind (not just Muslims). And we believe that the Quran was sent down for the whole of mankind (not just muslims). We believe that all other prophets PBUT were only sent down for that particular time, not for eternity, this includes Jesus PBUH. There message was only meant for then and there. Jesus PBUH himself says in the Bible He was only sent for the jews on several occasions ((Matthew 15:24) He (Jesus) replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.".....) to tell to them Islam, his teachings in respect to the Injel/Gospel was only meant for then and there.

Muhammad PBUH for this reason could be seen as more influential in Islam if that is what you meant sister Glo. As the Quran is a solution to all out problems.

But, I do appreciate what you were trying to say and often choosing the right words can be hard. But Islam considers Jesus, to be a noble and God fearing prophet PBUH, did you know the quran has an entire chapter dedicated to Jesus PBUHs mother- Surah Maryam (http://www.quran.com/19), correct me if I am wrong but I dont even think the Bible has such a thing.

But coming to your question about why is it Jesus PBUH and not Muhammad PBUH who was choosen to return to this world.

I suppose only Allah knows for sure. But to try and aswer the question...

It says in the Holy Quran:
[29:57] Everyone will taste death, then to us you will be ultimately returned.
(http://www.quran.com/29)

Now, in Islam we Muslims believe that Jesus PBUH was not crucified (watch these if you have a chance, its a debate between a christian and muslims missionary on this topic http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...B612E2946A2D15). Instead of being put on the cross Jesus PBUH was raised by Allah into the heavens to save him from such humilation, so right now he is alive, not dead. In order for Allah to keep the Quran error-less it makes sence that he must be returned to the earth to pass away.

Similarly we believe he will return to testify for Islam, after all he is the one that people refer to as 'god' or as the 'son of god' so Allah predicted this and it may be that He wanted to give him a chance to say he never preached such a thing. Or wanted to show to the people that he is just flesh and bone, the definate answer only All Might Allah knows.

It says in the Noble Quran Surah Maidah, Chapter 4 verse 116. That on the day of judgement Jesus PBUH will be asked by god if he ever asked any one to be worship and he will say "Glory to Thee! (Allah) never could I say what I have no right"

Even though we Muslims love Muhammad PBUH, we love Allah more and if Allah decread that Jesus PBUH is the one to return then Allah indeed knows best.

I dont know if that helped clear things up??

peace

edit - also if you think about it, us humans will never be happy and could say "why.." about anything. For example, in The Quran Allah is referred to as He, but we Muslims believe Allah swt has no gender. So often the question is posed why He and not she, but if Allah swt was referred to as She we would ask , why She and not He. (There is also another reason which lies in the arabic language, but my point is still there)