Originally Posted by amirebi

سلام
I am Shia, and in our believes, in the future a grandchildren of Mohammad(puh), who is called Mahdi(sa) , will return and with the help of Jesus and other real muslims and chiristians, fight with injustice and corruption of the world...
this Theory is hardly popular in Shia, and if you are intrested you can search about it.
ofcourse if you are not one of them who considers Shia as moshreks. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Mahdi
فی امان اللله

The arrival of Imam Mahdi is as certain as the return of Eesa (Alayhi Salaam), in fact the Mahdi will arrive before Eesa (Alayhi Salaam). This is a belief of Ahl-us-Sunnah as well.

Shi'ites are not considered Mushrikhs, as far as I know. They just have some beliefs way different than that of Ahl-us-Sunnah. For example, in Islam, disparaging/insulting the companions of the Prophet (PBUH) is a major sin which is a common practice of the shi'ites. And I also hate it when I read/hear the shia claim that Imam Mahdi will resurrect and punish Hadhrat Abu Bakr, Uman and Uthman (RadhiAllahu Anhum) because all 3 of them are my favourite Sahaba.

Originally Posted by Grofica

that not really true... my mother used to make me go to a christien non-denominational church and not only did they guy tell me i was going to H*ll (point blank) but he actually locked me in the church... i had to call my mom... (she was in the other room with the adults) he wouldnt let me leave...

Is this why you became a Muslim? He was wrong to do that to you! That would never happen in any church i go to.

Originally Posted by Tony

Following a discussion with my Christian neighbour I would like to know if there is any explanation as to why Jesus is coming back rather than Muhammad (pbuh). The guy talks for 80 pc of the time and usually contradicts himself, when he does listen he then replies and usually contradicts further, however he raised a good point that I had no answer for. If Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet, why is it Jesus (pbuh) that will return ? Whilst I am sure there is a good reason for it I dont know what it is. So please before this thread descends into a mind numbing and tedious debate that actually serves no purpose, would the members of this forum please allow my question to be answered first, thanks in advance

because he (Jesus) didn't complete his message as decreed by God and Muahmaad (pbuh) has.

Yuo see we don't believ that jesus is dead

Jesus died upon Calvary's Cross so your cousin is deluded.
Jesus will not claim his religion is false nor will he denounce his Sonship.

The answer to the topic is simple.
Mohammad can't leave hell to return to earth and Jesus will return in the Second Coming to make a 1000 year Kingdom here on Earth with believers.

Foul mouthed Guys like you , who dont read the scriptures are not worth having a discussion with .
We Muslims respect Jesus(PBUH) and you foul mouthed christians attack Muhammed with such low words . You can only bark thats what you are good for.

Originally Posted by Ali_008

...I read/hear the shia claim that Imam Mahdi will resurrect and punish Hadhrat Abu Bakr, Uman and Uthman (RadhiAllahu Anhum) because all 3 of them are my favourite Sahaba.

never heard of this but I won't be surprised if they really think so . I read some offensive posts by Shia participants agaisnt Abu Bakr ra in a Christian forum . It's really sad how some / many or all ? shia hate Abu Bakr ra and Mother Aisha ra.

As long as Shia testify the shahadah.. they are muslim.

May Allah give them Hidayah and a better understanding of the prophet's companion.

If someone asks me if I am Sunni or Wahabi or Shia... I reply saying I am muslim. I respect all the prophet and messengers as well as the companion. I dont follow any school of thought as I stick to the Qu'ran and Hadith. If such event does occur where where it's not mentioned in the Holy Book or Sunnah, i'll just avoid it. Best to stick to the basics than having arguments as it destroys unity and creates doubt in mind. We muslim need to concrete our own foundation before knowing what right and wrong.

Corect me if i'm wrong

brother by keeping out of it your gonna fall into bidda. you are gonna have to learn all quran and hadith and study everything.
eg: how will you pray?

there is evidence that we tie our hands at our chests and at our navel. who will you follow? your not in a better position than our scholars to judge. sunni islam is the main body of muslims and all our schools of thought (eg hanafi, maliki) operate on quran and sunnah. so just take the opinion of these scholars. for your own sake

This is a very simple question, and I'll make it a simple answer in return.

Jesus (a.s) will descend from heaven near the end of time because Jesus (a.s) did not DIE. You know how Christians believe the Jews killed Jesus on the cross? Well no, we believe that Allah (saw) created a man who bored great resemblance to Jesus (a.s) to die on the cross therefore Christians/Jews believe that he died when in actuality we believe Allah (saw) took him to heaven. In simple, we believe Jesus was not crucified, but was raised bodily to heaven by God.

- Dua

Peace be upon you sisters and brothers in humanity,



If Jesus is not dead can you tell me what is he doing now ?

Hello John,

We say that Allah saved Isa bin Maryam (alahi salam) and Allah raised him up unto Himself as Allah confirms in the Quran:

"And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'خsâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them [the resemblance of 'خsâ (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely, they killed him not [i.e. 'خsâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ['alayhis-salâm]]: But Allâh raised him ['خsâ (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) to Himself (and he ['alayhis-salâm] is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise." [Qur'an 4:157-159]

Apocalypse of Peter also confirms that Isa bin Maryam (alahi salam) was not crucified, unfortunately Christians do not accept it as their whole faith is based on the crucification.

Originally Posted by Hamza81

Hello John,

We say that Allah saved Isa bin Maryam (alahi salam) and Allah raised him up unto Himself as Allah confirms in the Quran:

"And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'خsâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them [the resemblance of 'خsâ (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely, they killed him not [i.e. 'خsâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ['alayhis-salâm]]: But Allâh raised him ['خsâ (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) to Himself (and he ['alayhis-salâm] is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise." [Qur'an 4:157-159]

Apocalypse of Peter also confirms that Isa bin Maryam (alahi salam) was not crucified, unfortunately Christians do not accept it as their whole faith is based on the crucification.

Hello Hamza81,


Who was the man in the cross then ?

^JOHNJOHN, in answer to your previous post before Hamza81 - Jesus (Alayhi Salam) is in heaven (Jannah). In answer to your question before this post - we do not know who the man was but he holds GREAT resemblence to Jesus (Alayhi Salam) thus we believe that the Jews & Christians mistook him for the real Jesus. (as)

- Dua

Originally Posted by *dua

^JOHNJOHN, in answer to your previous post before Hamza81 - Jesus (Alayhi Salam) is in heaven (Jannah). In answer to your question before this post - we do not know who the man was but he holds GREAT resemblence to Jesus (Alayhi Salam) thus we believe that the Jews & Christians mistook him for the real Jesus. (as)

- Dua

Hi Dua,


- You are telling me that Jews and Christians made a big mistake by killing another man ?

- Or do you think that Allah create another man with great resemblence to jesus

- or Allah took a man and gave him the jesus's face


I do not understand

Originally Posted by JOHNJOHN

Hello Hamza81,


Who was the man in the cross then ?

Hello John. The Quran emphatically states that they did not kill Jesus. This is found in the Bible as well, and can be gleaned by any Christian seeking truth if he really desire it. There are statements in different Gospels, which strongly agreeing with the Quranic verdict that they killed him not for certain. In fact, these statements clearly suggest that Jesus escaped death on the cross and therefore avoided being discovered by his enemies.

Additionally, some of the recent researches confirm that Jesus did not suffer death on the cross.

Barbara Thiering, an Australian scholar, has demonstrated convincingly, on a meticulous analysis of the Dead Sea Scrolls that Jesus did not die on the cross.

Two European scholars, Holger Kersten and Elmer E Gruber, have assiduously pursued the story of radiocarbon test carried out on the famous Turin Shroud and have shown that Jesus did not die on the cross and that the Turin Shroud was a hoax.

Some of the early Christian sects did not believe that Christ was killed on the cross. The Basilidans believed that someone else was substituted for him. The Docetate held that Christ never had a real physical or natural body, but only an apparent or phantom body, and that his crucifixion was only apparent, not real. The Marcionite Gospel (about A.C. 138) denied that Jesus was born, and merely said that he appeared in human form. The Gospel of St. Barnabas supported the theory of substitution on the Cross.

The early Christians' doctrines clearly and indisputably confirm that Jesus, peace be upon him, never got crucified. The lies that had been invented after the departure of Jesus about his crucifixion were all man-made. This is why you see the "Gospels" of the New Testaments of today were all written by third-party narrations. They are not original, and the theologians and historians of the Bibles of today confirm this as well.

The Quranic teaching is that Christ was not crucified nor killed by the Jews, not with standing certain apparent circumstances which produced that illusion in the minds of some of his enemies; that disputations, doubts, and conjectures on such matters are vain; and that he was taken up to Allah Almighty.

Let us look at verse 3:55 "Behold! Allah said: O Jesus! I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."

Here we see that Allah Almighty promised Jesus peace be upon him to raise him to heaven. Jesus was charged by the Jews with blasphemy as claiming to be God or the son of God. The Christians (except a few early sects which were annihilated by persecution, and the modern sect of Unitarians), adopted the substance of the claim, and made it the cornerstone of their faith. Allah Almighty clears Jesus of such a charge or claim.

According to a documentary film called, "Banned from the Bible", which was aired on the History Channel, some of Saint Peter's apocalypse were banned from the current Bible, and these Epistles contain what Islam claims - that Jesus didn't get crucified on the cross and it only appeared that he was. This banned part also says that Jesus was standing next to the cross laughing. These are the parts of the Bible that only few people in the world know about.

According to the documentary film, the apocalypse was very popular among Christians during the 2nd century. They believed "it was spiritually inspired" by GOD Almighty to Saint Peter. They actually had doubts about "John's apocalypse", which is known today as "the Book of Revelation". Interestingly also, this apocalypse says that after GOD Almighty fills both Heaven and Hell with inhabitants from Mankind, and the people of Hell get tortured for a long period of time, the People of Heaven will ask and Pray to GOD Almighty to Forgive the people of Hell. GOD Almighty will then eventually listen to their Prayers, and will order the "Gates and the Steel Bars of Hell" to be opened and allow the people of Hell to enter Heaven for Good.

This apocalypse of Peter seems to also perfectly fit Noble Verse 7:40 in the Noble Quran where Allah Almighty Promised that He will eventually open the Gates of Heaven to all disbelievers and empty Hell. This actually supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross.

According to John 19:36-37 from the Bible proves that Jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken. So how is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?

Also according to Isaiah 52:13 "...he will be raised and lifted up....", which clearly and perfectly agrees with Islam about Jesus never died on the cross. "Raised and lifted" clearly suggests that Jesus will be picked up right from the cross, or saved right from the cross by Allah Almighty. It suggests that Jesus will not die, nor get crucified, but rather be raised and lifted by GOD Almighty to Heavens.

Watch banned from the Bible here which is in 12 short parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQWfhscudKc