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| Account Disabled  Status: Offline Posts: 8,738 Reputation: 37754 Rep Power: 0   Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Way of Life: Undisclosed |  A dialogue between an American father and his son -
01-12-2008
Bismillah-Ir-Rahman-Ir-Raheem, AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullah/Peace and mercy be upon those who follow gidance, Q Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq ? A Because they had weapons of mass destruction. Q But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. A That's because the Iraqis were hiding them. Q And that's why we invaded Iraq ? A Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections. Q But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find weapons of mass destruction, did we? A That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election. Q Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction? A To use them in a war, silly. Q I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them? A Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves. Q That doesn't make sense. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons with which they could have fought back? A It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense. Q I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did. A Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway. Q And what was that? A Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country. Q Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country? A Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people. Q Kind of like what they do in China ? A Don't go comparing China to Iraq . China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops and help make US corporations richer. Q So if a country lets its people are exploited for American corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people? A Right. Q Why were people in Iraq being tortured? A For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured. Q Isn't that exactly what happens in China ? A I told you, China is different. Q What's the difference between China and Iraq ? A Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist. Q Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad? A No, just Cuban Communists are bad. Q How are the Cuban Communists bad? A Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured. Q Like in Iraq ? A Exactly. Q And like in China , too? A I told you, China 's a good economic competitor. Cuba , on the other hand, is not. Q How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor? A Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, the US government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us. Q But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba , and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists? A Don't be smart. Q I didn't think I was being one. A Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba. Q Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement? A I told you, stop saying bad things about China . Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway. Q What's a military coup? A That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States. Q Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup? A You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend. Q Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate? A I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate. Q Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader? A Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan . Q Why did we invade Afghanistan ? A Because of what they did to us on September 11th. Q What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th? A Well, on September 11th, nineteen men - fifteen of them Saudi Arabians - hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans. Q So how did Afghanistan figure into all that? A Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban. Q Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands? A Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too. Q Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001? A Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs. Q Fighting drugs? A Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies. Q How did they do such a good job? A Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off. Q So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for other reasons? A Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread. Q Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia ? A That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply. Q Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too? A No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering. Q What's the difference? A The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. Q It sounds like the same thing with a different name. A Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends. Q But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia . A Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan. Q Who trained them? A A very bad man named Osama bin Laden. Q Was he from Afghanistan ? A Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man. Q I seem to recall he was our friend once. A Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s. Q Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about? A There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now. Q So the Soviets - I mean, the Russians - are now our friends? A Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq , so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either. Q So the French and Germans are evil, too? A Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast. Q Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do? A No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade. Q But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s? A Well, yeah. For a while. Q Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then? A Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran , which made him our friend, temporarily. Q Why did that make him our friend? A Because at that time, Iran was our enemy. Q Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds? A Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend. Q So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend? A Most of the time, yes. Q And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy? A Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better. Q Why? A Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq? Q I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right? A Yes. Q But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq ? A Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do. Q So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head? A Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night. Good night, dad....! |
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| Jazzy   Status: Offline Posts: 5,385 Reputation: 13892 Rep Power: 37 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dunya a.k.a New York...lol Gender:  Way of Life: Muslim | Re: A dialogue between an American father and his son -
01-12-2008
LoL! Funny
__________________ But true too  Thanks for sharin =D   Keep the plight of the Ummah in your Du'as InshaAllah |
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| اللهُ أكبر  Status: Offline Posts: 1,283 Reputation: 9921 Rep Power: 20 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK Gender:  Way of Life: Muslim | Re: A dialogue between an American father and his son -
01-12-2008
Nice
__________________ .Thanks for sharing. لا تؤجل عمل اليوم إلى الغد الوقت كالسيف إن لم تقطعه قطعك احذر عدوك مرة وصديقك ألف مرة فإن انقلب الصديق فهو أعلم بالمضرة  |
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| 17 year old debater®  Status: Offline Posts: 294 Reputation: 802 Rep Power: 7 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In the land of the wise Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Re: A dialogue between an American father and his son -
01-12-2008
I have a feeling that boy is related to me LOL
__________________Jazakallahukhair for sharing Peace Omari  |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 8,738 Reputation: 37754 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Way of Life: Undisclosed | Re: A dialogue between an American father and his son -
01-12-2008
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Might be a long lost brother, Wa iyyak, AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Argh sum1 sheepish is on ma acc!. | |
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| We Must UNITE!  Status: Offline Posts: 366 Reputation: 1703 Rep Power: 10 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In the Land of Jannah! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Re: A dialogue between an American father and his son -
01-18-2008
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Peace!  He is Allah - the Creator, the Maker, the Giver of Form. To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Everything in the heavens and Earth glorifies Him. He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. (Qur'an, 59:24) | |
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| Dead nd Gone  Status: Offline Posts: 4,948 Reputation: 17906 Rep Power: 33 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: same as tupac........beneath u. under the dirt. lost inside the earth. left the spark 4 u, nd left Way of Life: Muslim | Re: A dialogue between an American father and his son -
01-18-2008
lol what is that bush and his 'son'? lol
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| LI Senior Member  Status: Offline Posts: 337 Reputation: 593 Rep Power: 6 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Far away from you ? Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Re: A dialogue between an American father and his son -
01-18-2008
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Their society was very poor, and most families were poor so the taliban chose between who should go to school and who could have the most succes in the world, they chose boys! If they had enough money girls would have also bin in school but since no aids came in, the taliban had nothing to rule their country with and therfore they had to chose between who they would let study. The woman clothes was a bit to much, but it was for the good of the society, raping and such under the taliban did not exist because of this. The hand chopping is used in rare cases, where a person has stolen udner many occasions while being rich himself. If a man was caught stealing under the taliban, the court would find out if he had any family to provide food for, if he had any job and if he was poor. If the man had no family to provide food for, had a job, was not poor then his hand would have bin chopped off! But if the man had a family to provide food for, had no job, and was poor then he would under no circumanstances have had his hand cut off! Woman were not executed through stoning if they did not wear the burca, a woman that did not were the hijab could be jailed in a womans prison over night, but under no circumanstances was a woman executed for showing her body parts or hair. Typically the husband of the wife would be so angry that he would punish her when she got out of prison, which is 100% wrong, but once the woman was found greatly harmed, or possibly dead guess what would happend to the husband? The man would be taken to the islamic court and he would be sentenced to a punishment all after what he did to his wife. He would get a sentence that he diserved, but I can assure you that they would take the mans sittuation into considerration and only give him what he diserved. Execution through stoning was extremly rare, and when it took place it was not a sentence, it was the family of the sentenced that would do it without the court even knowing anything about it. The taliban execution was a bullet in the head, and not stoning, stoning was a method used by barbaric family mebers, who ofcourse were also sentenced for what they had done to the person that they may have killed. All this killing, raping, nudity, homosexuality, and stealing were all very very very rare under the taliban, so you should not think of it as if it was something that took place often, it was VERY rare! Though there is much that I do not know, but my point is that you should just know that what the west is saying about the taliban, al-Qaida and any other group that they hate is not always the truth! The taliban have done alot of stuff wrong, and they were simply too tough and strict! The ottomans were not even this strict! | |
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| LI Senior Member  Status: Offline Posts: 168 Reputation: 902 Rep Power: 10 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Re: A dialogue between an American father and his son -
02-23-2008
I posted this tread up a while ago but it had to get deleted because it started WW3 lol. Alhamdulilah the front seems calm at the moment  In the name of (Allah) God, the Beneficent, the Merciful. |
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