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Default Allah sends astray ... (Surat Al-'An`am) - 08-30-2008

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In Surat Al-'An`am there are a couple of references to Allah sending non-believers astray, and only leading chosen ones to the truth:

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We have set veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they see every one of the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) they will not believe therein (6:25)
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Allah sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills. (6:39)
It sounds like Allah prevents certain people from finding the truth in the first place, and then punish them for it. That doesn't seem fair at all ...

Can somebody explain these verses, and put them in the right context, please?
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Default Re: Allah sends astray ... (Surat Al-'An`am) - 08-30-2008

Hey glo,

First verse is explained here

Second verse is explained here

My own understanding; because people fail to obey Allaah in the first place and do not give Him His due Right, then Allaah misguides them and sets veils on their hearts, etc.

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Serene is correct, Allah leaves people astray who have a disease in their heart. He puts a seal over their heart and closes it to receiving any guidance because of their evil attitude. May Allah save us all from such a horrible fate (ameen).
   
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But if people aren't willing to obey Allah out of their own choice, why does Allah need to send them astray/veil their hearts etc.?

Either disobedience/disbelief is the choosing of humans, or the choosing of Allah ... how can it be both?
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But if people aren't willing to obey Allah out of their own choice, why does Allah need to send them astray/veil their hearts etc.?

Either disobedience/disbelief is the choosing of humans, or the choosing of Allah ... how can it be both?
Don't forget that this concept is also in your Bible too. take a good look at what happen to Pharaoh int he old testament. Exodus 11:10

"Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land."

Romans 11:8

"God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day."


Isaiah 63:17

"O LORD, why have You made us stray from Your ways, And hardened our heart from Your fear? Return for Your servants’ sake, The tribes of Your inheritance. "


Ezekiel 14:9

"And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel."

Now, I can't speak for your Bible, but here are some Islamic answers to your question.

Here is one answer i posted earlier.

http://discovering-islam.blogspot.co...of-kuffar.html

You are forgetting some aspects of our creator. He knows us better than we do. He knows what we will do and if we will believe if we are given a proper test. If Allah find you leaving much wanting and on top of that an enemy unto Him, he can punish you this way.


keep in mind also that the seal put upon their hearts is in response to their acts of disbelief. Allah does not do it ahead of time yet he knows that it will happen.

Quran 29:69 And those who strive in Our (cause) - We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily God is with those who do right.

Here is another very thorough response. This one goes into more detail which I think you will like.

http://www.free-minds.org/articles/g...em/destiny.htm

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Don't forget that this concept is also in your Bible too. take a good look at what happen to Pharaoh int he old testament. Exodus 11:10
Oh, I understand that this is a concept in the Bible too, AntiKarateKid.
I remember asking the very same question about Pharao in other places ... (Entitled 'Who saves Pharao?')

The reason I am asking it here, is that I come across a very similar sentiment in the Qu'ran, and I was interested to hear the Islamic perspective.

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You are forgetting some aspects of our creator. He knows us better than we do. He knows what we will do and if we will believe if we are given a proper test.
That makes sense, and is similar to responses I have received from Christians on the topic.
Thank you for your reply.

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According to Dr. Jamal Badawi, if you read the verse in Arabic, you will come to understand that this happens to the disbelievers by virtue of their disbelief. It is a punishment upon them by Allah that happens by virtue of their disbelief. I don't know Arabic very well myself so maybe an Arabic speaker on the board can help out with the specifics.
   
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But if people aren't willing to obey Allah out of their own choice, why does Allah need to send them astray/veil their hearts etc.?

Either disobedience/disbelief is the choosing of humans, or the choosing of Allah ... how can it be both?
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

you need to apply Qur'anic reasoning to the Qur'an in it's entirety. plucking verses from here and there and thinking that they go together. context as well as other verses may be needed to understand certain concepts. that's why we may need the Ahadeeth on the Ayats or Surah.

in this case we can learn a little more by looking at more of the surah
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Muhsin Khan: Those to whom We have given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognize him (i.e. Muhammad SAW as a Messenger of Allah, and they also know that there is no Ilah (God) but Allah and Islam is Allah's Religion), as they recognize their own sons. Those who destroy themselves will not believe. (Tafsir At-Tabari)
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Muhsin Khan: And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or rejects His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.)? Verily, the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong*doers, etc.) shall never be successful.
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Muhsin Khan: And on the Day when We shall gather them all together, We shall say to those who joined partners in worship (with Us): "Where are your partners (false deities) whom you used to assert (as partners in worship with Allah)?"
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Muhsin Khan: There will then be (left) no Fitnah (excuses or statements or arguments) for them but to say: "By Allah, our Lord, we were not those who joined others in worship with Allah."
24:
Muhsin Khan: Look! How they lie against themselves! But the (lie) which they invented will disappear from them.
25:
Muhsin Khan: And of them there are some who listen to you; but We have set veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they see every one of the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) they will not believe therein; to the point that when they come to you to argue with you, the disbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the men of old."
26:
Muhsin Khan: And they prevent others from him (from following Prophet Muhammad SAW) and they themselves keep away from him, and (by doing so) they destroy not but their ownselves, yet they perceive (it) not.
27:
Muhsin Khan: If you could but see when they will be held over the (Hell) Fire! They will say: "Would that we were but sent back (to the world)! Then we would not deny the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.) of our Lord, and we would be of the believers!"
28:
Muhsin Khan: Nay, it has become manifest to them what they had been concealing before. But if they were returned (to the world), they would certainly revert to that which they were forbidden. And indeed they are liars.
29:
Muhsin Khan: And they said: "There is no (other life) but our (present) life of this world, and never shall we be resurrected (on the Day of Resurrection)."
30:
Muhsin Khan: If you could but see when they will be held (brought and made to stand) in front of their Lord! He will say: "Is not this (Resurrection and the taking of the accounts) the truth?" They will say: "Yes, by our Lord!" He will then say: "So taste you the torment because you used not to believe."
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Muhsin Khan: They indeed are losers who denied their Meeting with Allah, until all of a sudden, the Hour (signs of death) is on them, and they say: "Alas for us that we gave no thought to it," while they will bear their burdens on their backs; and evil indeed are the burdens that they will bear!
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Muhsin Khan: And the life of this world is nothing but play and amusement. But far better is the house in the Hereafter for those who are Al*Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2). Will you not then understand?
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Muhsin Khan: We know indeed the grief which their words cause you (O Muhammad SAW): it is not you that they deny, but it is the Verses (the Quran) of Allah that the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong*doers) deny.
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Muhsin Khan: Verily, (many) Messengers were denied before you (O Muhammad SAW), but with patience they bore the denial, and they were hurt, till Our Help reached them, and none can alter the Words (Decisions) of Allah. Surely there has reached you the information (news) about the Messengers (before you).
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Muhsin Khan: If their aversion (from you, O Muhammad SAW and from that with which you have been sent) is hard on you, (and you cannot be patient from their harm to you), then if you were able to seek a tunnel in the ground or a ladder to the sky, so that you may bring them a sign (and you cannot do it, so be patient). And had Allah willed, He could have gathered them together (all) unto true guidance, so be not you one of those who are Al-Jahilun (the ignorant).
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Muhsin Khan: It is only those who listen (to the Message of Prophet Muhammad SAW), will respond (benefit from it), but as for the dead (disbelievers), Allah will raise them up, then to Him they will be returned (for their recompense).
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Muhsin Khan: And they said: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "Allah is certainly Able to send down a sign, but most of them know not."
38:
Muhsin Khan: There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communities like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered.
39:
Muhsin Khan: Those who reject Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) are deaf and dumb in darkness. Allah sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills.
we see in Ayat 20 that there is a reference to "Those to whom We have given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)[who] recognize him" and they also "know that there is no Ilah (God) but Allah and Islam is Allah's Religion)"; as a result of rejecting this knowledge the become "Those who destroy themselves!"

additionally, in Ayat 21 we read: "And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or rejects His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.)? Verily, the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong*doers, etc.) shall never be successful."


these people are "destroy themselves" and "shall never be successful"; one of the things that can happen to an individual who KNOWINGLY rejects Allah and His Messenger and also "invents a lie against Allah"; ESPECIALLY THOSE of whom it is said "there are some who listen to you," these are only "listening" in order to find fault or cause trouble. Allah[swt] knows there intention and thus "We have set veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they see every one of the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) they will not believe therein; to the point that when they come to you to argue with you, the disbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the men of old." so there probing and refuting which puts them in contact with Allah's Word will be of no benefit for them.

if this seems unfair, we see in the next Ayat further reference of those whom Allah[swt] is speaking of: "they prevent others from him (from following Prophet Muhammad SAW)." as a result of this "they destroy not but their ownselves!"

and further we read that those who say: "There is no (other life) but our (present) life of this world, and never shall we be resurrected (on the Day of Resurrection)" are also included in this category.


at the end of these ayats we see it summed this way: Those who reject Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) are deaf and dumb in darkness!" in other word, THEY THEMSELVES, as a result of said rejection, have allowed themselves to become " deaf and dumb in darkness." this, Allah[swt] has allowed to happen, but THEY THEMSELVES are the cause!

now if someone's evil is truly extreme, Allah[swt] can simply "give them enough rope," so to speak! but is this Allah[swt] taking their free will away?" ABSOLUTELY NOT! the "veil" which is spoken of can be no other than [as we read in Surah 18:46];

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Muhsin Khan: Wealth and children are the adornment of the life of this world. But the good righteous deeds (five compulsory prayers, deeds of Allah's obedience, good and nice talk, remembrance of Allah with glorification, praises and thanks, etc.), that last, are better with your Lord for rewards and better in respect of hope.
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103:
Muhsin Khan: Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of (their) deeds?
104:
Muhsin Khan: "Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds!
105:
Muhsin Khan: "They are those who deny the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of their Lord and the Meeting with Him (in the Hereafter). So their works are in vain, and on the Day of Resurrection, We shall not give them any weight.
106:
Muhsin Khan: "That shall be their recompense, Hell; because they disbelieved and took My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and My Messengers by way of jest and mockery.
we see excessive evil listed as "they disbelieved and took My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and My Messengers by way of jest and mockery".

thus, one can harden their own heart against Allah and His Messenger just as one can soften one's heart, but the choice was theirs. HOWEVER, the more evil you are, the more Allah[swt] can give you of "Wealth and children, [which] are the adornment of the life of this world." the more you focus on the dunya, they less you'll see of the Akhira!

you have the option of of seeking Allah's assistance, or His "rope!" the choice is yours!"

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As-salam alakum

Interesting thread...

I have one question I would like answered if it is OK, Inshallah.

I know that Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala knows everyone's fate but we as humans don't know.

My question is, is it ever too late for a Non-Muslim to believe and accept Islam no matter what he has done as long as he is alive? if Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala seals ones heart and misguides them because of their choice does that mean the door of repentance is closed permanently for them?

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Default Re: Allah sends astray ... (Surat Al-'An`am) - 09-12-2008

Glo i might sound silly but its kinda like this,

imagine you punch yourself once, that would cause harm but overtime it will heal. Imagine your punching yourself twice everyday, again its greater harm but over a longer time it will heal. Now imagine if your constantly battering yourself to the end... you'll die!

likewise constant sin/ignorance and disbelief leads to what is mentioned in those ayyat... a life of being astray with a veiled heart


may Allaah protect us from it. Ameen !
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^ Thumma Ameen

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Default Re: Allah sends astray ... (Surat Al-'An`am) - 09-12-2008

I don't get the punching thingie. sorry.

But the verse says "Allah yahdee man yacha' wa yudhillu man yacha' "here, the verb yacha' refers to the people not to Allah. Right? Who he wishes, finds guidance in Allah and who he wishes to remain astray, Allah will let him on his blindness????

Once again, forgive my ignorance. I only seek some guidance.
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^ the more dirty you get, the more you seal yourself, its your own oppression

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My question is, is it ever too late for a Non-Muslim to believe and accept Islam no matter what he has done as long as he is alive? if Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala seals ones heart and misguides them because of their choice does that mean the door of repentance is closed permanently for them?

May Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala guide us all to the straight path, ameen!
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As-Salam-al-akum

Does someone have an answer to my question? I hope I did not ask a bad question.
   
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