IB Islamic Forum  
 

 


Notices
Qur'an The Final Revelation

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old
  (#1 (permalink))
 
chacha_jalebi's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,401
Reputation: 36580
Rep Power: 73
chacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nice
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ambala Boxes :(
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

salaam

Bismillah Ir Rahman Nir Raheem

elo ello

i did a search but couldnt find a post so ere it goes

i was thinkin today, how was the Quran chosen to be compiled? like why was surah Baqarah decided to be surah number 2 etc and why the order of surahs?

i know that Hadhrat Umar & Hadhrat Uthman (ra) compiled the Quran and Hadhrat Hafsah (ra) had the copy they decided 2 publish because it was thought of bein most accurate, but my Q is ....

why was the specific order used? because we all know that Surah Iqra was revealed 1st but it is surah number 96, like was their a criteria for choosin the certain order & was it done by Hadhrat Umar & Uthman (ra) as they chose to compile the Quran together? lol i hope u lots understand moi Q. ....

JazakhAllah
__________________
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!


"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"

Surah al Baqarah v214



SMILE
   
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old
  (#2 (permalink))
Account Disabled
 
afriend's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 9,097
Reputation: 26435
Rep Power: 0
afriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the rough
Join Date: Dec 2005
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

Yeah bro...I was meaning to ask this Q too......

It's like, Quraan al kareem was revealed indifferent parts at different times.....

So who put it together, and who made the order?
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#3 (permalink))
Jewel of LI
 
Ansar Al-'Adl's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 5,164
Reputation: 15135
Rep Power: 55
Ansar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura about
Join Date: Dec 2004
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006


The Prophet saws instructed them as to the order and this was the order which they memorized they abided by in reciting it in their prayers and otherwise.

__________________
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mālik]


Visit Ansār Al-'Adl's personal page HERE.
Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#4 (permalink))
^Ara'aF...hEiGhTsSs~
 
^..sTr!vEr..^'s Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 782
Reputation: 1186
Rep Power: 29
^..sTr!vEr..^ is on a distinguished road^..sTr!vEr..^ is on a distinguished road^..sTr!vEr..^ is on a distinguished road^..sTr!vEr..^ is on a distinguished road^..sTr!vEr..^ is on a distinguished road^..sTr!vEr..^ is on a distinguished road^..sTr!vEr..^ is on a distinguished road^..sTr!vEr..^ is on a distinguished road^..sTr!vEr..^ is on a distinguished road
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Gratitude at..when..if..and...
Gender:Sister In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

Assalamualaikum..good question..

Firstly its been totally written n compiled by Allah via RasulAllah.
Secondly, that compilation by Sahabas is a doubtful thg..because in Surah Kahf's 109 ayah it says that "if the sea became INK for..."..dont u people think ink would hav been present at that tym for sure becoz if it wasnt knwon to the people at that tym how cud Allah reveal an Ayah??..Quran is for evryone since prophet's tym till Qayamat. And if ink was present then does it make sense that Sahabas writin all those parts of Quran on rocks n all that..so i dont agree to this story of compilation. inshAllah this explains.

Anyway, Allah wanted n ordered the Quran to be this way..so its lyk this..
__________________
"O Muslims! If anyone among you worshipped Ramadan, then know that Ramadan is dead. But those of you who worshipped Allah, then know that Allah lives and will never die. Indeed Allah created Ramadan and He also, in truth, created Shawaal, Dhul Qidah, Dhul Hijjah, and all the rest of the Months..."
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#5 (permalink))
 
chacha_jalebi's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,401
Reputation: 36580
Rep Power: 73
chacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nice
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ambala Boxes :(
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

jazakhallah

what RasoolAllah (saw) instructed them directly or indirectly? like did he read the certain surahs in order in salaah & they stuck to that or did he say do it in this order??

because the Quran was compiled after RasoolAllah (saw) passed away, so was it in a dream or summin???
__________________
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!


"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"

Surah al Baqarah v214



SMILE
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#6 (permalink))
Account Disabled
 
afriend's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 9,097
Reputation: 26435
Rep Power: 0
afriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the roughafriend is a jewel in the rough
Join Date: Dec 2005
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

Ohh...Jazakallah kahir brother Ansar, and sister too
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#7 (permalink))
Jewel of LI
 
Ansar Al-'Adl's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 5,164
Reputation: 15135
Rep Power: 55
Ansar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura aboutAnsar Al-'Adl has a spectacular aura about
Join Date: Dec 2004
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi View Post
what RasoolAllah (saw) instructed them directly or indirectly? like did he read the certain surahs in order in salaah & they stuck to that or did he say do it in this order??
Both.
Quote:
because the Quran was compiled after RasoolAllah (saw) passed away, so was it in a dream or summin???
It was recorded in one volume after the Prophet saws.
__________________
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mālik]


Visit Ansār Al-'Adl's personal page HERE.
Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#8 (permalink))
 
chacha_jalebi's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,401
Reputation: 36580
Rep Power: 73
chacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nice
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ambala Boxes :(
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

sister i think you have misunderstood dat ayah, "If the sea became ink for the Words of my Lord, the sea would indeed be used up and the Words of my Lord would never - even if we bring another like it for help."

so it is sayin that Allah (swt) can keep revealin ayahs, if he wills

and its not wise to doubt sahabas
__________________
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!


"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"

Surah al Baqarah v214



SMILE
   
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old
  (#9 (permalink))
IB Oldtimer
 
al-fateh's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,168
Reputation: 731
Rep Power: 26
al-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished road
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Miami, FL
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

1. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself supervised and authenticated the written texts of the Qur’an


Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (R.A. – Radhi Allahu Taala Anhu) – May Allah be pleased with him who would also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur’an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur’an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).

2. Order and sequence of Qur’an divinely inspired


The complete Qur’an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Qur’an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Qur’an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.

Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur’an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhaan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur’an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice.

It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur’an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.

3. Qur’an copied on one common material


The complete Qur’an, along with the correct sequence of the verses, was present during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). The verses however, were written on separate pieces, scrapes of leather, thin flat stones, leaflets, palm branches, shoulder blades, etc. After the demise of the prophet, Abu Bakr (r.a.), the first caliph of Islam ordered that the Qur’an be copied from the various different materials on to a common material and place, which was in the shape of sheets. These were tied with strings so that nothing of the compilation was lost.

4. Usman (r.a.) made copies of the Qur’an from the original manuscript


Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Qur’an on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet. However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions. There were high possibilities of different portions of the Qur’an being missed by different Companions. This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Qur’an during the period of the third Caliph Usman (r.a.).

Usman (r.a.) borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur’an, which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet’s wife. Usman (r.a.) ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Qur’an when the Prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit (r.a.) to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman (r.a.) to the main centres of Muslims.

There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur’an that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Usman (r.a.) only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur’an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur’an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur’an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey.

5. Diacritical marks were added for non-Arabs


The original manuscript of the Qur’an does not have the signs indicating the vowels in Arabic script. These vowels are known as tashkil, zabar, zair, paish in Urdu and as fatah, damma and qasra in Arabic. The Arabs did not require the vowel signs and diacritical marks for correct pronunciation of the Qur’an since it was their mother tongue. For Muslims of non-Arab origin, however, it was difficult to recite the Qur’an correctly without the vowels. These marks were introduced into the Quranic script during the time of the fifth ‘Umayyad’ Caliph, Malik-ar-Marwan (66-86 Hijri/685-705 C.E.) and during the governorship of Al-Hajaj in Iraq.

Some people argue that the present copy of the Qur’an that we have along with the vowels and the diacritical marks is not the same original Qur’an that was present at the Prophet’s time. But they fail to realize that the word ‘Qur’an’ means a recitation. Therefore, the preservation of the recitation of the Qur’an is important, irrespective of whether the script is different or whether it contains vowels. If the pronunciation and the Arabic is the same, naturally, the meaning remains the same too.

6. Allah Himself has promised to guard the Qur’an


Allah has promised in the Qur’an :

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption). [Al-Qur’an 15:9]
__________________
Come and Visit our Forumwww.myislamweb.com
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#10 (permalink))
*LiL MiSs MuJaHiDaH*
 
MusLiM 4 LiFe's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,375
Reputation: 5477
Rep Power: 36
MusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enoughMusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enoughMusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enoughMusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enoughMusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enoughMusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enoughMusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enoughMusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enoughMusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enoughMusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enoughMusLiM 4 LiFe will become famous soon enough
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: england
Gender:Sister In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi View Post
salaam

Bismillah Ir Rahman Nir Raheem

elo ello

i did a search but couldnt find a post so ere it goes

i was thinkin today, how was the Quran chosen to be compiled? like why was surah Baqarah decided to be surah number 2 etc and why the order of surahs?

i know that Hadhrat Umar & Hadhrat Uthman (ra) compiled the Quran and Hadhrat Hafsah (ra) had the copy they decided 2 publish because it was thought of bein most accurate, but my Q is ....

why was the specific order used? because we all know that Surah Iqra was revealed 1st but it is surah number 96, like was their a criteria for choosin the certain order & was it done by Hadhrat Umar & Uthman (ra) as they chose to compile the Quran together? lol i hope u lots understand moi Q. ....

JazakhAllah
i was gonna ask da same question aswel.

**** bro, u really do like the '' emotion init??
__________________
[x][..Im*Back*..][x]
(kinda)


   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#11 (permalink))
 
chacha_jalebi's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,401
Reputation: 36580
Rep Power: 73
chacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nice
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ambala Boxes :(
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

jazakhallah bro ansar, i meant was it revealed in a dream 2 the sahabas, neway you sorted me question out, jazakhallah

how comes everyone was gona ask this Q stop tryin 2 b cleva lol na me messin, but its been asnwered so woo hooo



p
__________________
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!


"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"

Surah al Baqarah v214



SMILE
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#12 (permalink))
IB Oldtimer
 
al-fateh's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,168
Reputation: 731
Rep Power: 26
al-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished roadal-fateh is on a distinguished road
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Miami, FL
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

why close the thread???

let people learn and ask if they have any questions...
__________________
Come and Visit our Forumwww.myislamweb.com
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#13 (permalink))
 
chacha_jalebi's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,401
Reputation: 36580
Rep Power: 73
chacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nicechacha_jalebi is just really nice
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ambala Boxes :(
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

oh okie dokie ....

thread open
__________________
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!


"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"

Surah al Baqarah v214



SMILE
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#14 (permalink))
Full Member
 
AQSA's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 132
Reputation: 240
Rep Power: 23
AQSA is an unknown quantity at this pointAQSA is an unknown quantity at this pointAQSA is an unknown quantity at this point
Join Date: Jul 2006
Gender:Sister In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-07-2006

As-Salaamu 'Alaikum brs.......

The order in which the quran was chosen to be revealed was a command from Allah the Most High. It was sent with the Angel Jibril (Gabriel) for it to be revealed to the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him). He who also taught the order and arrangement of verses by him, whcih proberly expalines why the first Surah to be revealed is chapter number 96 instead of 1.......
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#15 (permalink))
ma Na'raf shee
 
Woodrow's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 14,005
Reputation: 107380
Rep Power: 172
Woodrow is a blessing to IB.Woodrow is a blessing to IB.Woodrow is a blessing to IB.Woodrow is a blessing to IB.Woodrow is a blessing to IB.Woodrow is a blessing to IB.Woodrow is a blessing to IB.Woodrow is a blessing to IB.Woodrow is a blessing to IB.Woodrow is a blessing to IB.Woodrow is a blessing to IB.
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zeeland ND, at last a single address
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: How Was The Quran Chosen To Be Compiled Together? - 08-08-2006

I am confused. All of the Qur'an translations I have seen have been in the same order. Actually the only translations I own are those by Yusuf Ali and the one by Pickthall. I also have an untranslated one and the order is the same in it. My son-in-law speaks Urdu and his Urdu translation is in the same order as the translations I have.
__________________















   
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC2
vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com

Road to Jannah| Diaries of a Hafiz| Jannah Network| Muslim Forum| Islamic Resources and Articles| Nasheeds| Rhymes Of Praise| Jannah Bookstore| Halal Records| Jannah Network: Serving the On-Line Muslim Community|
Page generated in 0.35189 seconds with 9 queries