Assalamu alaikum

Originally Posted by Ahmed Al Ansari

The isolated incident is reffering to the punishement (i.e seeing their wives adulterate) they recieved for disobeying the Messenger (which was their exclusive punishment on that occasion). This is the point of this narration - to highlight a punishment that some recieved for directly disobeying the Messenger. Other people's deliberate disobedience of the Messenger may consequently receive different punishments.

So you saying the punishment they recieved is finding out their wife commiting Zina? (and not the issue of making someones wife commiting Zina, which the wife did when their husband is not home), which they would not have found out if they have not disobeyed.
How is that a punishment?

Secondly. I rather think that the incident (them finding out) is not the result of the other, thus disobeying resulted in punishment as sort (mentioned).
I think it is missunderstood.

It wont change the context of what happened, because their finding men with their wives was a direct consequence of disobeying the Messenger.

As above
That does not change the fact there wife was commiting Zina. I rather do not think it can be stipulated with any strong affirmative that it was some kind of punishment.

Secondly you stated the hadith:

1 - Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Messenger of Allah said:

"Do not enter upon your women when returning from a journey at night."

Than I stated this which is pertaining to the same matter:

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 173:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "If you enter (your town) at night (after coming from a journey), do not enter upon your family till the woman whose husband was absent (from the house) shaves her pubic hair and the woman with unkempt hair, combs her hair" Allah's Apostle further said, "(O Jabir!) Seek to have offspring, seek to have offspring!"

This clearly say's that when one wish to enter their household the women have to comb their hair if it unkept and e.t.c.

Originally Posted by Skillganon

Assalamu alaikum

So you saying the punishment they recieved is finding out their wife commiting Zina? (and not the issue of making someones wife commiting Zina, which the wife did when their husband is not home), which they would not have found out if they have not disobeyed.
How is that a punishment?

Would you keep your wife after finding out she adulterated?

Secondly. I rather think that the incident (thenm finding out) is not the result of the other, disobeying. thus resulted in punishment as sort.
I think it is missunderstood.

He found out she was with another man because they disobeyed the Prophet and went to their homes.

As above
That does not change the fact there wife was commiting Zina.

I wasn't denying that they were commiting Zina. All I am saying is that, that was not the point of the article.

I rather do not think it can be stipulated with any strong affirmative that it was some kind of punishment.

It was a 'punishment' so to say, that they found their wives with another man. If they had not, she could have later repented and stayed with her husband. But the text does not even say what happened later, so it is pointless to even get into this.

Secondly you stated the hadith:

1 - Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Messenger of Allah said:

"Do not enter upon your women when returning from a journey at night."

Than I stated this which is pertaining to the same matter:

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 173:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "If you enter (your town) at night (after coming from a journey), do not enter upon your family till the woman whose husband was absent (from the house) shaves her pubic hair and the woman with unkempt hair, combs her hair" Allah's Apostle further said, "(O Jabir!) Seek to have offspring, seek to have offspring!"

This clearly say's that when one wish to enter their household the women have to comb their hair if it unkept and e.t.c.

Ok? I don't see the point that your arguing. No one is denying that the women were comitting Zina, nor is anyone saying there is no punishment for it. The only point is that the two found out because they disobeyed the Messenger.

I think you are focusing too much on this technical implications, instead of learning the lesson that the article is teaching which is 'do not to disobey the Messenger'. Khair, lets let this issue go for there is no benefit in debating this furthermore.

The lesson is learnt bro, I understand what you are trying to say. It is what is stated.

I think it is the use of punsihment is wrongly being attributed.

Let's see first observation. He narrated:

"the Messenger of Allah returned once with a caravan at night, whereupon two men with him slipped away and secretly went to their families, even though they had heard the Prophet forbidding them from doing so. Subsequently, both of them found a man with his wife. "

This is an incident about two men finding out their wife commiting adultry, after deciding to visit their wife. Nothing more. Not a punishment in itself what so ever. It may be we are reading to much into it.

Now you can't say that you "found your wife commiting adultry because of disobeying the prophet."

Even if the prophet allowed them to go or even ordered them, they would still found their wife commiting adultry. Will you attribute there a punishment because he obeyed the prophet?

I really do not think that attributing a punsihment (them finding out) as somekind of result of disobeying the prophet, in this case.

EDIT:

I apologise for dragging this along away from the point of the article, or any due stress I caused.
Anway, I might be wrong so better to find out yourself.

Salaam/peace;


......Messenger of Allah returned once with a caravan at night, whereupon two men with him slipped away and secretly went to their families, even though they had heard the Prophet forbidding them from doing so

Originally Posted by Al Madani

I am not sure what the exact explanation of the Hadith is, but the reason it was quoted in this article was to give an example of what happened to those that disobeyed the Messenger (saws).

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4/5 days back , i read in a book that the Prophet (p) told the companions not to go home at that night...it means it was applicable for that night only , not for all time.
( at least that what i understood ).


Anybody , pl. correct me if i m wrong.



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Note to self: never underestimate the sunnah.

Jazakaallah khayr for sharing.