Questions concerning the Qur'an and Islam

Aziz · **Questions concerning the Qur'an and Islam -** 09-27-2005

What is the seven ahruf?

What is the Qiraat?

what are these alleged scribal errors?Are they in the Tashkent and topkapi manuscripts?

are these two the oldest surviving manuscripts?

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Posted by someone in whyislam

Firstly, it's wrong to say "one of the copies sent out by the Caliph Uthman is still in existence today. It lies in the Museum of the City of Tashkent in Uzbekistan, Central Asia". In fact,only part (about 40%) of the copy in Tashkent (Samarkand manuscript) is ancient (although probably not from the 1st Century hijra, as it uses Kufic script), the rest is of much later date.

Secondly, the expression about "results confirming that there have not been any changes in the text from its original time of writing" is ambiguous, and is much too wide-reaching. There are many differences between the ancient manuscripts. As to their appreciation, significance and importance, it's a discussion for specialists.

Jeffery conducted a detailed comparison between the Samarkand text and an (apparently) equally ancient manuscript from the Khedivial Library in Cairo, and noticed a considerable list of differences (several hundred) including scriptural errors, missing or repeated words etc etc.

A critical edition of the Quran, comparing the different versions, would obviously be of great help but, to my knowledge, it has never been produced.

I was browsing a thread called Original copies of the Quran and I found this guy's posts.I supplied him the refutation(from islamic awareness) to this allegations made by Jeffery.

Last question:why was the Qibla changed from Jerusalem to Mecca?

Thanks in advance.and please umm...don't flame.Please brothers and sisters.

Osman · **Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 09-27-2005

Salaam Abdul Aziz

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Originally Posted by Abdul Aziz

What is the seven ahruf?

What is the Qiraat?

Please see the following thread:

http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1202 ([Uloom Al-Qur'an] The Qira'at and The Ahruf)

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Originally Posted by Abdul Aziz

what are these alleged scribal errors?Are they in the Tashkent and topkapi manuscripts?

The Qur'an at the time of Muhammad (SAWS) was no different than the Qur'an we have today. Here is a useful link about the alleged scribal errors:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...l/scribal.html

Another useful link (if you haven't already come across them):

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/

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“so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid Al-Haraam (at Makkah). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction”

[al-Baqarah 2:144]

When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) first came to Madeenah, he used to pray facing towards al-Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem), with the Ka’bah behind him and Syria in front of him. But after that he hoped [?} that Allaah would change that, so he started lifting his face towards the heavens, looking for Jibreel to come down with the Revelation telling him to turn towards the Ka’bah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad’s) face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid Al-Haraam (at Makkah)”[al-Baqarah 2:144]

So Allaah commanded him to turn towards al-Masjid al-Haraam

Also, visit this link to see why:

http://www.drzakirnaik.com/pages/qanda/9.php

waji · **Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 09-27-2005

Aslam u Alikum
brother to ur first question i didn't got that word ahruf
2 Qiraat. it is the way u recite quran or read quran in the best way
3.according to my knowledge there are three Oldest Quran in the world right now of Usman (Razi Allahu Taala unho) years of khilafat one is in london second is in istambul and the third one is this one
3. Qibla was changed by Allah and there is only one point we can think it is because prophet Muhammad (Sal'Allahu Alahi Wasalam) like Makkah more than any other city
so Allah made it the Qibla
Allah know better and every thing
salam

waji · **Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 09-27-2005

Aslam u Alikum
Osman brother good i was finding that ayat
jazak'Allah
salam

**Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 09-27-2005

In addition, the change of the Qiblah was also a proof and symbol that the leadership of the nations has been transfered to this Ummah. This is because Allaah (Exalted is He) has said in another verse that the Ummah of the Prophet is better than the Children of Israel.

Aziz · **Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 09-28-2005

thanks everyone.

Aziz · 01:36 PM

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qu...al/scribal.html

so there weren't any scribal errors?

I am confused about Jeffery.
What were this rival codices and the 'variant readings'?

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Firstly, it's wrong to say "one of the copies sent out by the Caliph Uthman is still in existence today. It lies in the Museum of the City of Tashkent in Uzbekistan, Central Asia". In fact,only part (about 40%) of the copy in Tashkent (Samarkand manuscript) is ancient (although probably not from the 1st Century hijra, as it uses Kufic script), the rest is of much later date.

umm....what about this?

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · **Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 09-30-2005

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Originally Posted by Abdul Aziz

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qu...al/scribal.html

so there weren't any scribal errors?

There are no scribal errors in the Qur'an. When copies of the main maunscripts were being made, if anyone made even the slightest slip of the pen it would have been easily noted. Manuscripts that contained any mistakes in copying were corrected by the Muslim community when they were compared to the other Manuscripts.

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I am confused about Jeffery.
What were this rival codices and the 'variant readings'?

Jeffery was a man who tried and tried to find an example of variants in the Qur'anic manuscripts, but all his attempts proved futile as he himself was forced to admit that all the volumes examined show no example of textual variance. (See Al-Azami's book p. 206).

In his conclusion, he followed in the path of all the other orientalists who reluctantly had to admit that the Qur'an today has been perfectly preserved since its revelation.
http://www.islamicboard.com/showpost...63&postcount=4 (Non-Muslims from different backgrounds quotes)

You mentioned that you were unable to acquire the material I referred you to on the compilation and preservation of the Qur'an. If that's the case, you should not be trying to debate this subject until you acquire that material.

Aziz · 05:29 PM

okay but umm...last one.what's this guy saying about 40% being ancient and the rest of later date?

these rival codices were completely fabricated?

Bass · **Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 10-01-2005

What's Ahruf???

Osman · **Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Bass

What's Ahruf???

http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1202 ([Uloom Al-Qur'an] The Qira'at and The Ahruf)

Aziz · **Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 10-02-2005

SURAH:2: 230. So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand.

umm...wait.Is it necessary for the women to marry another husband?

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · **Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Abrar

umm...wait.Is it necessary for the women to marry another husband?

yes, after a divorce then you can't re-marry just like that.

Aziz · 01:23 PM

well brother what is the full explanation of the verse?

and how a divorce must be carried out?

Aziz · **Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam -** 10-16-2005

Did different schools of thought had an impact on hadith and fatwas?
when did the tafsirs of the verses come into existence?

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waji Busy Status: Offline Posts: 1,199 Reputation: 2621 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Home Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam - 09-27-2005 Aslam u Alikum brother to ur first question i didn't got that word ahruf 2 Qiraat. it is the way u recite quran or read quran in the best way 3.according to my knowledge there are three Oldest Quran in the world right now of Usman (Razi Allahu Taala unho) years of khilafat one is in london second is in istambul and the third one is this one 3. Qibla was changed by Allah and there is only one point we can think it is because prophet Muhammad (Sal'Allahu Alahi Wasalam) like Makkah more than any other city so Allah made it the Qibla Allah know better and every thing salam

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waji Busy Status: Offline Posts: 1,199 Reputation: 2621 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Home Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam - 09-27-2005 Aslam u Alikum Osman brother good i was finding that ayat jazak'Allah salam

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kadafi Guest Status: Posts: n/a Reputation: Gender:	Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam - 09-27-2005 In addition, the change of the Qiblah was also a proof and symbol that the leadership of the nations has been transfered to this Ummah. This is because Allaah (Exalted is He) has said in another verse that the Ummah of the Prophet is better than the Children of Israel.

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Aziz For the Emperor! Status: Offline Posts: 1,658 Reputation: 998 Rep Power: 22 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: City of Mosques,Bangladesh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam - 09-28-2005 thanks everyone.

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Aziz For the Emperor! Status: Offline Posts: 1,658 Reputation: 998 Rep Power: 22 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: City of Mosques,Bangladesh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam - 10-01-2005 okay but umm...last one.what's this guy saying about 40% being ancient and the rest of later date? these rival codices were completely fabricated? Last edited by Aziz; 10-01-2005 at 05:29 PM.

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Bass Member Status: Offline Posts: 58 Reputation: 8 Rep Power: 18 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam - 10-01-2005 What's Ahruf???

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Aziz For the Emperor! Status: Offline Posts: 1,658 Reputation: 998 Rep Power: 22 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: City of Mosques,Bangladesh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam - 10-02-2005 SURAH:2: 230. So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand. umm...wait.Is it necessary for the women to marry another husband?

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Aziz For the Emperor! Status: Offline Posts: 1,658 Reputation: 998 Rep Power: 22 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: City of Mosques,Bangladesh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam - 10-03-2005 well brother what is the full explanation of the verse? and how a divorce must be carried out? Last edited by Aziz; 10-03-2005 at 01:23 PM.

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Aziz For the Emperor! Status: Offline Posts: 1,658 Reputation: 998 Rep Power: 22 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: City of Mosques,Bangladesh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Questions concerning the Quran and Islam - 10-16-2005 Did different schools of thought had an impact on hadith and fatwas? when did the tafsirs of the verses come into existence?