The translation that I like to read uses "pure son" in referring to Jesus (as) in 19:19 and uses "purity" in referring to John (Yahya) (as). Pure and purity indicate sinless.

Yet, according to the Bible, Jesus (as) broke the "Sabbath" by healing and he excused his disciples for gathering grain on the Sabbath. Not keeping the Sabbath holy is a transgression of the Judaic Law.

John316 do you care to comment?

No righteous or pious MAN would EVER claim to be good on the same level as God. So, contrary to what you want this verse to suggest, it is actually DENYING divinity, NOT accepting it. Jesus, pbuh, being a chosen Prophet of God, knew this very well and would NEVER make that mistake!

Hana

Yes, this is exactly how I interpret the verse in Matthew as well. The corresponding passage in Mark10:17-18 is more lucid. As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to him and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone." Notice that Jesus (as) refers to another in the third person as being the only one that is truly good - and that One is God - Allah (swt).

No, it doesn't.

The Islamic position is that every human sins, including the Prophets, but that the Prophets hardly sin at all, and they are small sins, and they seek repentance for their sins and that Allah forgives all their sins.

Examples of Prophets sinning include Adam eating from the tree, even though he was prohibited and Yunus giving up on the people he was meant to guide. But the point is they repented and were forgiven, and that they are still better humans than anyone else.

You have to consider the whole context friend. Jesus also said it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath. And the Sabbath day is a day devoted to the Lord. And if you are doing something good like healing for GOD then you are glorifying him on the Sabbath. What was the Sabbath. It was not merely a religous ordinance. But God designed us in such a way that 6 days we work. 1 day we rest so that our body is rejuvented for the next 6 days. Man was not made for the Sabbath but Sabbath for man. The Jewish Pharissees of those days were hypocrites and made their own technicalities thinking that they were doing God good. And by finding fault in His Son their were only hardening their hearts. They were out to please men and be good in the eyes of men not God.

there's a difference between being righteous and unrighteous. You can't be both. You cant walk in light and darkness and the same time. You can't go left and right at the same time. Every human since Adam and Eve sinned. So none were righteuos. Jesus, the Son of God, who became the Son of Man, never sinned as a human. As a human He was tempted. Being tempted is not a sin. What happens against your will is not a sin. He had a choice to sin or not to sin. which eventually He didnt. He was obedient unto His physical death. The wages if sin is death(seperation from God for eternity). But Jesus endured GOD'S HOLY WRATH and never sinned. Had he sinned even once he would have been seperated from God. He paid it all, for believers and non-believer. The only sin that God cannot forgive is unwillingness to accept forgiveness. But prior to that you need to repent.

I dont know how to say this. But Adam's sin brought sin and suffering to the entire humna race. So his sin was too big to be forgiven. 40 days repentance was just not going to be enough. Yes when you are forgiven of all past sins you are sinless. But God's forgiveness also depends on the degree of sin and the equal degree of atonement for that sin.

Hi,

The consequences of his sin was not his fault.

God pre-decreed that mankind would be tested on this Earth well before he even created us, it is not Adam's fault that we are n this Earth now, it is what God intended.

had Adam not sinned or nor any of mankind sin by eating from the tree would there be sin, suffering & death like we see today

God created mankind with the intention of putting them on earth.

In the Quran Allah said (keep in mind this happened before Adam was alive):

And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners) and sanctify You." He (Allâh) said: "I know that which you do not know."

Chapter 2, verse 30.

That makes it clear hat well before Adam sin, Allah already had the intention of sending Adam and therefore mankind to Earth.

No human is sinless, including Prophets.


Q:7:23:They said: Our Lord! We(Adam & Eve) have wronged ourselves......

Q:26:82:And Who, I ardently hope, will forgive me my(Ibraheem) sin on the Day of Judgment.

Q:38:25:So We forgave him(Dawood) that; and lo! he had access to Our presence and a happy journey's end.

Q:28:16:He said: My Lord! Lo! I(Mosa) have wronged my soul, so forgive me. Then He forgave him.

Q:47:19:So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women.

[Q:48:2] That God may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;





It's ONLY that Prophat Muhammad(saw) was forgiven his faults in this world while other Prophets & other humans will have to wait for DOJ(Day of Judjement) for decision on them.

Bukhari:2:19:-
Narated By 'Aisha : Whenever Allah's Apostle ordered the Muslims to do something, he used to order them deeds which were easy for them to do, (according to their strength endurance). They said, "O Allah's Apostle! We are not like you. Allah has forgiven your past and future sins." So Allah's Apostle became angry and it was apparent on his face. He said, "I am the most Allah fearing, and know Allah better than all of you do."

Bukhari:55:577:-
Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle said, "Abraham did not tell a lie except on three occasions."

Bukhari:60:3:-
Narated By Anas : The Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection the Believers will assemble and say, 'Let us ask somebody to intercede for us with our Lord.' So they will go to Adam and say, 'You are the father of all the people, and Allah created you with His Own Hands, and ordered the angels to prostrate to you, and taught you the names of all things; so please intercede for us with your Lord, so that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' Adam will say, 'I am not fit for this (i.e. intercession for you).' Then Adam will remember his sin and feel ashamed thereof. He will say, 'Go to Noah, for he was the first Apostle, Allah sent to the inhabitants of the earth.' They will go to him and Noah will say:

'I am not fit for this undertaking.' He will remember his appeal to his Lord to do what he had no knowledge of, then he will feel ashamed thereof and will say, 'Go to the Khalil-r-Rahman (i.e. Abraham).' They will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking. Go to Moses, the slave to whom Allah spoke (directly) and gave him the Torah.' So they will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking.' and he will mention (his) killing a person who was not a killer, and so he will feel ashamed thereof before his Lord, and he will say, 'Go to Jesus, Allah's Slave, His Apostle and Allah's Word and a Spirit coming from Him. Jesus will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, go to Muhammad the Slave of Allah whose past and future sins were forgiven by Allah.' So they will come to me and I will proceed till I will ask my Lord's Permission and I will be given permission. When I see my Lord, I will fall down in Prostration and He will let me remain in that state as long as He wishes and then I will be addressed.' (Muhammad!) Raise your head. Ask, and your request will be granted; say, and your saying will be listened to; intercede, and your intercession will be accepted.' I will raise my head and praise Allah with a saying (i.e. invocation) He will teach me, and then I will intercede. He will fix a limit for me (to intercede for) whom I will admit into Paradise. Then I will come back again to Allah, and when I see my Lord, the same thing will happen to me. And then I will intercede and Allah will fix a limit for me to intercede whom I will let into Paradise, then I will come back for the third time; and then I will come back for the fourth time, and will say, 'None remains in Hell but those whom the Qur'an has imprisoned (in Hell) and who have been destined to an eternal stay in Hell.' " (The compiler) Abu 'Abdullah said: 'But those whom the Qur'an has imprisoned in Hell,' refers to the Statement of Allah: "They will dwell therein forever." (16.29)

Yes, that is correct. Sahih Bukhari narrated by Abu Huraira The Prophet said, "Moses argued with Adam and said to him (Adam), 'You are the one who got the people out of Paradise by your sin, and thus made them miserable." Adam replied, 'O Moses! You are the one whom Allah selected for His Message and for His direct talk. Yet you blame me for a thing which Allah had ordained for me before He created me?' " Allah's Apostle further said, "So Adam overcame Moses by this argument."

Thank you for correcting my error - I stand corrected.

First I'll disagree by saying that Jesus was the only man on Earth that did not sin. Second of all I need to ask that just because we Christians believe that we are saved by faith and faith alone do you Muslims believe that our plan of salvation is an easy way out?

I think your 'plan of salvation' is unrealistic and defies logic--It is based on fanciful desire than sound judgement..

but you are entitled to your beliefs!

peace