I remember a hadith-don't know where it is- which states that every human except Isa and Maryam aleyhissalam sinned...What do you think about this?

I think it wuld be nice if we cuold get a reference for that- I've never heard it before and I'm certain that, from what I learned, every human sins, without exception. It seems strange that Isa and Maryam would not sin when Muhammad pbuh, the best human to ever live himself sinned on some occasions.

Ali Ataie says it best. Here is a portion of his writing:

A Parable…

A thief breaks into my house. He rushes in and takes a handful of my wife's finest jewelry and bolts out the door. Before he makes it down the street he is spotted by a cop and taken into custody. In court, he looks me in the eye and tells me that he is sorry. He was stealing so that he could feed his family currently living in a homeless shelter. I no longer decide to press charges and resolve that I will forgive him. With much sorrow, the thief vows that he will work for me to make up his sin.

"Just don't do it again," I say.

The thief realizes his wrong and walks away. Suddenly, I pull my only begotten son whom I love out of the crowd and slice his throat ear to ear. The thief turns back and is horrfied by the spectacle.

"Why!?" he says.

I respond by saying, "Because of your sins."

DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE??? WAS THIS MURDER NECESSARY???


A Second Parable…

My great grandfather killed a man many years ago without just cause. He was sent to prison for many years. After about 50 years of hard time he was released and the family of the deceased became grateful that he paid his debt to them. He spent the rest of his life in a tropical Paradise. A couple years later he got married and had a son. As soon as his son was born, the baby was rushed to the same prison where his father served for 50 years. When my great grandfather asked why, he was told, "Because of your original crime of murder. And from now on, every one of your descendants will come first to this prison to live."

Is this justice??

A Final Parable…

My dog Max was barking all night long. My neighbor, frustrated beyond belief, storms out of his house and throws a brick at Max to scare him; maybe that would shut him up. Unfortunately, the brick finds its mark and Max is struck dead. The next morning I discover Max's corpse outside my front door.

Then I spot my neighbor coming towards me with tears in his eyes saying, “I am SO sorry. I got really angry last night and killed your dog. I don't know what came over me…I had a really bad day at work and….”

I interrupt him, “Hey bro, don't worry about it. I understand. I FORGIVE YOU.”

My neighbor suggests, “I will kill my dog as well, so justice can be served. It would be the right thing to do.”

I tell him, “Because you sinned against ME, and I have forgiven you, killing your dog would be a great INJUSTICE. Why would you kill an innocent dog for the sin of another?”

John3:16: If this is your idea of justice...you can keep it. Allah, swt, is NEVER unjust even in the slightest manner!!

Alhamdulillah, I was guided to the truth, beauty and justice of Islam.

Hana

yeh i find this whole 'adam n eve' story to be rubbish.. jus a fairy tale..

There is a hadith that mentions the different prophets during the search for a mediator to intercede on the Day of Resurrection. The sins of each are mentioned except none is mentioned for Jesus (as). Those of Muhammad (saaws) are mentioned in a general sense. I have copied the entire hadith from Alim software. I did not find anything regarding Mary.

Sahih A-Bukhari 6:236 Narrated Abu Huraira Some (cooked) meat was brought to Allah Apostle and the meat of a forearm was presented to him as he used to like it. He ate a morsel of it and said, "I will be the chief of all the people on the Day of Resurrection. Do you know the reason for it? Allah will gather all the human beings of early generations as well as late generations on one plain so that the announcer will be able to make them all hear his voice and the watcher will be able to see all of them. The sun will come so close to the people that they will suffer such distress and trouble as they will not be able to bear or stand. Then the people will say, 'Don't you see to what state you have reached? Won't you look for someone who can intercede for you with your Lord?'

Some people will say to some others, 'Go to Adam.' So they will go to Adam and say to him, 'You are the father of mankind; Allah created you with His Own Hand, and breathed into you of His Spirit (meaning the spirit which he created for you); and ordered the angels to prostrate before you; so (please) intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are? Don't you see what condition we have reached?' Adam will say, 'Today my Lord has become angry as He has never become before, nor will ever become thereafter. He forbade me (to eat of the fruit of) the tree, but I disobeyed Him. Myself! Myself! Myself! (has more need for intercession). Go to someone else; go to Noah.' So they will go to Noah and say (to him), 'O Noah! You are the first (of Allah's Messengers) to the people of the earth, and Allah has named you a thankful slave; please intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' He will say, 'Today my Lord has become angry as He has never become nor will ever become thereafter. I had (in the world) the right to make one definitely accepted invocation, and I made it against my nation. Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Abraham.' They will go to Abraham and say, 'O Abraham! You are Allah's Apostle and His Khalil from among the people of the earth; so please intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' He will say to them, 'My Lord has today become angry as He has never become before, nor will ever become thereafter. I had told three lies (Abu Haiyan (the sub-narrator) mentioned them in the Hadith. Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Moses.' The people will then go to Moses and say, 'O Moses! You art Allah's Apostle and Allah gave you superiority above the others with this message and with His direct Talk to you; (please) intercede for us with your Lord! Don't you see in what state we are?' Moses will say, 'My Lord has today become angry as He has never become before, nor will become thereafter, I killed a person whom I had not been ordered to kill. Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Jesus.' So they will go to Jesus and say, 'O Jesus! You are Allah's Apostle and His Word which He sent to Mary, and a superior soul created by Him, and you talked to the people while still young in the cradle. Please intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' Jesus will say, 'My Lord has today become angry as He has never become before nor will ever become thereafter. Jesus will not mention any sin, but will say, 'Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Muhammad.' So they will come to me and say, 'O Muhammad ! You are Allah's Apostle and the last of the prophets, and Allah forgave your early and late sins. (Please) intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' " The Prophet added, "Then I will go beneath Allah's Throne and fall in prostration before my Lord. And then Allah will guide me to such praises and glorification to Him as He has never guided anybody else before me. Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad! Raise your head. Ask, and it will be granted. Intercede! It (your intercession) will be accepted.' So I will raise my head and say, 'My followers, O my Lord! My followers, O my Lord'. It will be said, 'O Muhammad! Let those of your followers who have no accounts, enter through such a gate of the gates of Paradise as lies on the right; and they will share the other gates with the people.' " The Prophet further said, "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, the distance between every two gate-posts of Paradise is like the distance between Mecca and Busra (in Sham)."

Although no sin is mentioned for Prophet Jesus (as), I venture a guess that he denied the role of intercessor due to the claims that Christians make about him being the Son of Allah and that the Christians worshipped him instead of Allah.

Quran 5:116-118 After reminding him of these favors, Allah will say: "O Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Marry), Did you ever say to the people, "worship me and my mother as gods beside Allah?" He will answer: "Glory to You! How could I say what I had no right to say? If I had ever said so, you would have certainly known it. You know what is in my heart, but I know not what is in Yours; for You have full knowledge of all the unseen. I never said anything other than what You commanded me to say, that is to worship Allah, Who is my Rabb and your Rabb. I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them; but when You called me off, You were the Watcher over them and You are a Witness to everything. If You punish them, they surely are Your servants; and if You forgive them, You are Mighty, Wise."

first off all i dont believe in evolution. i am a young earth creationist. and there is some science that can prove young earth creationism.

Now to Hana, we believe in repentance and reconciling to those we have hurt. But we must also understand that all sinned against God. and God reconciled to us through the death of Christ. there other sins like masturbation, covet, etc. which are offensive to God. not just offending your neighbour. Just as God in Christ forgave us we are to forgive one another but that doesnt promote tolerance.

When people accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior they start a new relationship with God in Christ by the Power of His Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit empowers them to lead godly lives. They dont want to sin. They live their lives for God and neighbour first. It's a relationship that makes them feel bad everytime they do sin. They will be renewed to godly sorrow which works repentance unto salvation.

What chapter and verse do you refer to regarding masturbation? I don't recall ever reading in the Bible or the Quran that is a sin. What about gambling? All the the pious Christians I know hold that this is also a sin, but I don't remember reading in the Bible that it is. Please, advise.

I don't see the wisdom in announcing Islamic beliefs to be rubbish in the middle of an Islamic forum. Pretty offensive, really.

Leviticus 15 talks about discharges that cause uncleaness. Paul writes in Galatians 5 that those who practice uncleaness will not inherit the kingdom of God. Jude 4 talks abt men turnig the grace of God into laciviousness. Fantasising sexually is also a sin. I can give you a lot more. Illicit sex is sin.

sorry if i was offensive... i didn't intend to be... jus tryin to air my 'disbeleif' of the story... perhaps i shud've used other means.. my apologies..

to explain... I don't understand how the story could even make sense... personally i think the story was a 'metaphor' so to speak... the forbidden fruit could have been 'adultery' on their part... (intercourse, but not being married).. and this notion that eve came from adams ribs?? that doesn't make sense.. because we all kno that man comes from woman, not the other way around... the story in the bible makes the earth about 10,000 years old.. and we KNOW the earth is a LOT older then that...

I think that's the Hadees which says that Shaytaan touches every human BUT he couldn't touch Eesa & Maryam.!!!!

Bukhari:55:641:-
Narated By Said bin Al-Musaiyab : Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36)

& hadees in MustataMC's this post (Did Jesus of the Bible sin?) is important.

disagree atleast i dont get offended by your beliefs. Jesus did say that from the begining God made us male and female. So if Jesus is true evolution is not true. There is evidence that King David ruled Israel 3000 years ago. and in the lineage between Adam and David there is no contradiction. So it is impossible for David to have descended from a myth.