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Default Re: Did Jesus of the Bible sin? - 02-08-2008

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Jesus was saying as a human. He died because He was human. but he was also God by nature. He died once for your sins He will never die again.
Ohhh, no, no, no, that's not correct at all. He HAS to die again in order to be spiritually resurrected. Remember there are 2 types of resurrections....physical and spiritual. Physical, is like Lazarus. Raised from the dead, required food, water, etc., to sustain life and then died, and will be spiritually resurrected. A spiritual resurrection makes you like the angels...no food or water required, no need for bones and skin, etc. AND....the spiritually resurrected person will NOT die again.

Jesus, according to the the bible was very much alive when he went into the room to meet with his apostles after His "supposed" resurrection. He told them, He was not a ghost, and encouraged them to come touch Him to feel his skin and bones, because spirits don't have skin and bones. He also made a point in asking for food to further prove He was very much alive.

So, tell me, John316, when did Jesus "die again" to become spiritually resurrected?

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Default Re: Did Jesus of the Bible sin? - 04-29-2008

Jesus said that anyone who called another a "Fool" would be bound for hell.
About seven odd pages later he calls the Pharasees "Fools".

I would imagine that he would just have to forgive himself and all would be well, but until he did repent, then temporalily he had surely sinned?
   
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Default Re: Did Jesus of the Bible sin? - 04-30-2008

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Jesus said that anyone who called another a "Fool" would be bound for hell.
About seven odd pages later he calls the Pharasees "Fools".

I would imagine that he would just have to forgive himself and all would be well, but until he did repent, then temporalily he had surely sinned?
Or maybe the context is different? When you deal with such things from a single source wouldn't it make more sense to state that he may have meant different things.
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Default Re: Did Jesus of the Bible sin? - 04-30-2008

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Jesus said that anyone who called another a "Fool" would be bound for hell.
About seven odd pages later he calls the Pharasees "Fools".

I would imagine that he would just have to forgive himself and all would be well, but until he did repent, then temporalily he had surely sinned?
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

i'm not so, sure i agree with you on this one Barney.

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Jesus said that anyone who called another a "Fool" would be bound for hell
this quote is dealing with the believers and their sincerity and self perception. it would be arrogant to think of being better than others when you are only following the truth because Allah Ta' Aala guided you and showed you His Mercy.

the Pharisees had become more wrapped up in "looking pious" than actually "being pious"; Jesus/Isa ibn Marryam as the Jewish Messiah come with Injeel for them would have been within his purpose by pointing out that those who should have been stalwarts of their Deen were actually poisoning it and preventing others from adhering to Allah Ta' Aala's religion. you will find that Jesus/Isa ibn Marryam actually called them much worse!

as an interesting note, you will find that Jesus/Isa ibn Maryam's message was VERY similar to the "School of Hillel" and those Pharisees that leaned in that direction supported him, while the others were more like the "School of Shimei" in that they were more concerned with properly following "religious rites" than actually showing Mercy to others.

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