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Default Re: Why doesn't God Stop all the suffering on Earth? - 04-17-2008

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This is a tricky question for me to get across.

The child isn't developed? Why didn't it get a chance to develop. If you assume a islamic god, there has to be a point of life right? The child just died. It didn't get a chance to grow into other stages. To experience all the stages of life? Why not?
Define developed? Do you mean physically, or religious wise? And you can’t keep asking ‘why’. It is the will of Allah. Allah showers His Mercy on whoever He wants. Children die, just like the old die. Some of us return to our Creator earlier than others. The hereafter is certainly better than this world. And did you forget that we all have our appointed time? You can’t question death, when it comes it comes, that is why you have to always be prepared.

Again “Allah knows what is best for His Slaves”

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Default Re: Why doesn't God Stop all the suffering on Earth? - 04-17-2008

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As muslims, we believe that all this life is simply a test. You are tested with hardships along the way, and you have to be patient and thankful if you want to reach heaven.

If life was all rainbows and sunshine, what would be the point of it all?
Best answer - Simple and Clear

I'd like to add that all the hardships aren't for nothing, people who pass the test will be rewarded according to what they did
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Default Re: Why doesn't God Stop all the suffering on Earth? - 04-17-2008

It is always difficult to address the question "Why is there so much suffering if an all knowing and loving God is in charge?"

I'm sure it is difficult for an athiest or agnostic to accept the answers put forth here. There seems to be so much senseless suffering in the world. I believe I saw a statistic which stated that a child dies of starvation every second of the day somewhere in the world. Perhaps instead of blaming God for these events, we should blame ourselves. Especially when it comes to starvation and violence. We as human beings have the ability to stop these things...but we don't. That isn't God, that is us.

When it comes to child mortality, disease, etc...that is more difficult to answer. We can come up with theologic philosophy about redemption and tests...but it is hard to accept that as an athiest or agnostic I'm sure.
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Default Re: Why doesn't God Stop all the suffering on Earth? - 04-17-2008

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This is a tricky question for me to get across.

The child isn't developed? Why didn't it get a chance to develop. If you assume a islamic god, there has to be a point of life right? The child just died. It didn't get a chance to grow into other stages. To experience all the stages of life? Why not?
Well that child is lucky, I'd rather die as a child because I would be absolutley sinless and Paradise would be guaranteed for me, this could be considered as a mercy from God,

The death of the child could be a test for its parents, God knows best
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Default Re: Why doesn't God Stop all the suffering on Earth? - 04-17-2008

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It is always difficult to address the question "Why is there so much suffering if an all knowing and loving God is in charge?"

I'm sure it is difficult for an athiest or agnostic to accept the answers put forth here. There seems to be so much senseless suffering in the world. I believe I saw a statistic which stated that a child dies of starvation every second of the day somewhere in the world. Perhaps instead of blaming God for these events, we should blame ourselves. Especially when it comes to starvation and violence. We as human beings have the ability to stop these things...but we don't. That isn't God, that is us.

When it comes to child mortality, disease, etc...that is more difficult to answer. We can come up with theologic philosophy about redemption and tests...but it is hard to accept that as an athiest or agnostic I'm sure.
I've read in the Quran somewhere, (bros'sisis prvide evidence please)
that someone asked the prophet why did God not remove the poor from poverty, God says that he could have if he willed, but it was a test for mankind, no one would be able to give charity or help the poor and they could n't be tested in that way

btw not 100% accurate, need to find evidence
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Default Re: Why doesn't God Stop all the suffering on Earth? - 04-17-2008

To me this would be the best explanation. Imagine if there was no suffering, no evil in the world. Imagine if everything was perfect, how would you as a human being ever have the chance to help one another? If everyone had perfect lives, no problems, no fears, we would all mind our business and have no reason to give charity, be kind to one another, help one another. If everything was so darn good and nothing bad ever happened, we would never have the opportunity to do good with each other. For example all the helpless people in places like Africa or war driven countries, we wouldnt think twice to look that way or think about them if they lived a life without problems. We wouldnnt learn from our mistakes, grow the courage to do better, or struggle or any of it. Honestly, thats the best thing I can think of, for me to understand why things are the way they are. Im not even saying thats all right, because God has given us a choice to do good or bad. You do good and u will be rewarded for that and do bad youll be punished. This is why as Muslims we believe life is a test for us. Well thats the best I can explain it. Hope u get the idea.

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Default Re: Why doesn't God Stop all the suffering on Earth? - 04-17-2008

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Well that child is lucky, I'd rather die as a child because I would be absolutley sinless and Paradise would be guaranteed for me, this could be considered as a mercy from God,

The death of the child could be a test for its parents, God knows best
Do you think a 2-year-old child is mentally capable of grasping all that paradise has to offer? Do toddlers understand concepts like Allah, mercy...? What exactly is the purpose of ehaven in Islam? simply pleasure or is there a place for theological experience too?
Muslims believe every child is born a muslim, but where exactly do you believe the knowledge of Isalm is stored. Do you even believe being born a muslim means having the knowledge or is it just a state of innocence?

And if the child in question is a boy, how old will his virgins be? will he get any?
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Do you think a 2-year-old child is mentally capable of grasping all that paradise has to offer? Do toddlers understand concepts like Allah, mercy...? What exactly is the purpose of ehaven in Islam? simply pleasure or is there a place for theological experience too?
Muslims believe every child is born a muslim, but where exactly do you believe the knowledge of Isalm is stored. Do you even believe being born a muslim means having the knowledge or is it just a state of innocence?

And if the child in question is a boy, how old will his virgins be? will he get any?
Do children grow up in heaven?
i think ur supposed to be 33 in heaven or something like that


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Default Re: Why doesn't God Stop all the suffering on Earth? - 04-17-2008

"Whoever buries three children, Allah will forbid the Fire for him." (Saheeh, Tabarani in al-Kabeer, Al-Albani authenticated it in Saheeh Al-Jaami' (6238).)

"There are no two Muslim parents whose three children die before reaching puberty except that Allah will enter them into Paradise due to His mercy to the children. It will be said to them, "Enter the Paradise", so they will say, "Not until our parents enter first". It will be said, "Enter the Paradise you and your parents." (Ahmad, an-Nasaa'i, and Al-Albani authenticated it in Saheeh al-Jaami' (5780).)

"'Whoever iHtasaba (remains content and patient after the death of) three of his offspring will enter Jannah.' A woman said, 'What about two?' He said, 'And two.'" (Saheeh, an-Nasaa'i, Ibn Hibban, authenticated by al-Albani in Saheeh al-Jaami (5969).)

"To no woman three children die and she remains patient and content, except that she will enter Jannah. Or two (children)." (Muslim)

Put it this way. Children that die young are the test paper for their parents. That is their purpose.
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Default Re: Why doesn't God Stop all the suffering on Earth? - 04-17-2008

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"Whoever buries three children, Allah will forbid the Fire for him." (Saheeh, Tabarani in al-Kabeer, Al-Albani authenticated it in Saheeh Al-Jaami' (6238).)

"There are no two Muslim parents whose three children die before reaching puberty except that Allah will enter them into Paradise due to His mercy to the children. It will be said to them, "Enter the Paradise", so they will say, "Not until our parents enter first". It will be said, "Enter the Paradise you and your parents." (Ahmad, an-Nasaa'i, and Al-Albani authenticated it in Saheeh al-Jaami' (5780).)

"'Whoever iHtasaba (remains content and patient after the death of) three of his offspring will enter Jannah.' A woman said, 'What about two?' He said, 'And two.'" (Saheeh, an-Nasaa'i, Ibn Hibban, authenticated by al-Albani in Saheeh al-Jaami (5969).)

"To no woman three children die and she remains patient and content, except that she will enter Jannah. Or two (children)." (Muslim)

Put it this way. Children that die young are the test paper for their parents. That is their purpose.
So, technically, parents who lost 3+ children can do whathever they want?
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No, of course not. All hadiths and ayas that mention hardships, the reward can only be gained by patience, that's a given. It's so obvious it doesn't need to be mentioned every time. :P

and btw, children remain children in heaven.
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I'm stepping well outside the theist ring on this one.
The child isnt aware of allah, cant grasp the concept of paradise,(I cant and I'm 39)They can understand pain and agony as they slowly die.

Their purpose in life is to feel pain. Wonderful.
Evrything is OK, because if God wills it, she is in paradise?

I notice that some people seem a bit embarrassed about their answers to this one.
As I think Ranma said "If Life-all -rainbows is pointless...what use is heaven". Not Hell: Heaven.
If pain of stubbing Keltoi's toes wipes out him looking at a Hot Chick last week, why dosnt he just start twisting thumbscrews on himself or going the full opus-dai.

Lets take the 2005 Tsunami: Lets take the position that an all powerful, all merciful, loving benevolent God is in charge of all that is on earth.
I find it farcical to think that along four coastlines on that day, 700,000 people who "deserved to die" or their "Time was due" or had "Sinned Greatly" all gathered together and died within 6 hours because God was responsible for it.

Y'know, I think a few good people might have died that day, people with something good to give to the world.
If he was then I'd love someone to try and explain the mercy in that.

"It's a test for their families", "we are not to try and reason why" "Gods ways are not our ways"

If I accepted a God being capable of doing any of this, I'd book my place on Doom Hotel, Fire Boulavard, Flame street, Hell Number 4, because morally, I not only wouldnt want to accosiate myself with such a deity, I'd want to be as far as possible from it.
   
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No, of course not. All hadiths and ayas that mention hardships, the reward can only be gained by patience, that's a given. It's so obvious it doesn't need to be mentioned every time. :P

and btw, children remain children in heaven.
Ok, what will they do in paradise? Dring from the wine filled rivers? Have sex with virgins? Play with letter cubes?
   
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If pain of stubbing Keltoi's toes wipes out him looking at a Hot Chick last week, why dosnt he just start twisting thumbscrews on himself or going the full opus-dai.

Self harm is forbidden in Islam, therefore no.



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I find it farcical to think that along four coastlines on that day, 700,000 people who "deserved to die" or their "Time was due" or had "Sinned Greatly" all gathered together and died within 6 hours because God was responsible for it.

Y'know, I think a few good people might have died that day, people with something good to give to the world.
If he was then I'd love someone to try and explain the mercy in that.

"It's a test for their families", "we are not to try and reason why" "Gods ways are not our ways"

When sins become widespread, and people do not enjoin the good and forbid the evil - then Allah will punish the people. Then everyone will be raised up in account of what they did in this life.
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