Please do find it if you can, i'm not sure what you mean.




I want you to read this link with an open mind like you've read some past books with an open mind;

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...conceptions#13




No, it wasn't abrogated. You see, you're reading from the wrong sources. If you want to read about Islam - you read about it from Islamic sources. The author can make any false claim against Islam, but it doesn't mean its true.

Judaism, Christianity, and many of the world religions were under the protection of the Muslims throughout history. If you look at history, the Jews ran away from the Crusaders and Christian nations and sought refuge in Muslim lands - lands in which Muslims were obligated by God to defend, if they payed a tax {jizyah] - the same way Muslims payed a tax [Zakaah.]



Oh ok I understand.




I'll quote you what a respectable non muslim author said;

In this formulation the claim was that jihad was better than secular conquest. Unlike Alexander the Great, Mohammed incorporated people in a polity in which they had the option of being saved, in which they had the ability to see for themselves, in which they could choose to become true believers. But it left inner conviction as something over which the individual had full control.


This argument ought to be easy for modern people to understand, or at least Americans, for they also tend to think that war can be legitimated by a high moral purpose - as long as that purpose hasn’t got anything to do with individual faith. The moral purposes they have in mind are wholly secular, not the lower level of religion, and the salvation they talk about is in this world. But they too tend to be eager to rescue other people by enabling them to become more like themselves: richer, freer, more democratic. What do you do when your fingers are itching to intervene, when you have the power to do it, when you are sure you are right and you are convinced that the victims will be grateful - quite apart from all the advantages that may redound to yourself from intervening? Aren’t you allowed to use force? Indeed, aren’t you obliged to use it? Is it right to save people against their will? Should you force them to be free? If you say yes to these questions, you are in effect a believer in jihad.



“Jihad”: idea and history - Patricia Crone

Muslims in Iraq are not happy with what they are facing, this is said by even the US soldiers who have served within Iraq. They just want their lives back, yet so much innocents are being killed.

This article says that a study shows that over 650,000 (six hundred and fifty thousand!) innocent people have been killed in Iraq alone, and i don't think they're happy with what is happening to their people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101001442.html





The true religion of God does not have to be changed, don't you see how thousands of Muslims were living peacefully in the west? It's only lately that Islam has been blamed for some evil attacks which aren't even part of the religion.

Islam flourished Europe through history, maybe you can check it out here;
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...amic%20history




The innocent people are those who don't participate in the war. Therefore, innocent people living their daily lives in the UK, US, Europe etc. should not be killed or harmed. This is a part of Islam, so we don't need to change Islam. But we do need to speak out against those who kill innocent people, no matter what faith group they are from.


In the Qur'an, God/Allah says (translation of the meaning);

Whosoever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.

[Qur'an 5:32]

Even in combat, the Messenger of God, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said to his companions;

Allah’s Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) used to say the following words to his troops before sending them to war: “Go forward in the name of Allah. Do not kill an elderly person, nor a child, nor a woman, and do not exceed the bounds.” [Recorded in al-Muwatta’]

Peace.

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cheers

The Prophet saws told us not to throw our pearls to swine. - This persson does not want to know, he wants to speak in the megaphone and bait Muslims with his argumentation.
Let him do some digging in previous threads i have posted if he really wants to know...

Salaamz akhi.. so good to see you back here..
and full heatedly agree with your sentiment..I do enjoy a good lampoon though

Peace be upon those who follow the guidance

1st of all, Brother Qatada, May Allah Reward you abundantly for your good posts. i can't rep you till i spread some around...

Mr. jyry, the incident that i believe that you are referring to is in the Seerah. there was a leader of a tribe who murdered 70 Hafz, iirc. the Messenger of Allah, Salla Allahu Alayhe Wa Salaam, order his execution. the Companions, RadiaAllahu Anhum, who volounteered for the mission requested permission to mislead said murderer in order to accomplish their mission. permission was granted.

again Baraka Allah Feek Bro Qatada!

Asalaam alaikum


I think he's talking about - Ka'b ibn Ashraf, who was half arab and half jew (from his mothers side) - he made alot of false poetry about the women of Medinah, aswell as inciting the Quraysh to wage war against the Muslims. So to stop his harm, and to prevent a greater harm - his assasination was permissible, and the companions who went to assasinate him were permitted to lie in order to decieve him into thinking that they never really liked being followers of Allah's Messenger (sal Allahu alaihi wasalam.)


It's better than him causing war and spreading evil poetry about the Muslim believing women.

not reading the whole verse and a little more this verse is used by alot of disbelievers to show islam is not a religion of peace but Islam is religion of peace and mercy
Suran Tauba 9:5-7
#5 "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
#6 If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the Word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
#7 How can there be a covenant, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the Sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous."

JazakAllah Khayr & Baraka Allah Feek Brother. i searched for a good online Seerah text, but couldn't find one.

and MOST folks with some intelligence would agree that its OK for spies to tell untruths! otherwise they'ld never get past customs: "state the purpose of your journey", "ooh dang, you got me, i'm a spy!?"

here's the thread where its discussed in detail;

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...sinations.html

Reminds me of this famous quote:
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't stupidity get us out of it?

Masha Allah for that thread link. i haven't read it all, but it's AWESOME when some of the Brothers and Sisters take the time to discuss issues point by point with folks who have done nothing but copy anti-Islamic sites. it shows alot of wisdom and patience, when it would be easier to just call the perpetrators names and ignore them.


as for this:

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/B..._tsn/index.htm



the Sealed Nector online! Jazak Allah Khayr Akhi!