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Default Re: Adam and the 60 cubit confusion - 05-04-2008

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I'm assuming this shrinkage over time has been reserched and "confirmed" by Scholars.
I cant find any references.

It's looking like Adam as a ninety footer is logically and scientificaly unstainable.
   
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I'm assuming this shrinkage over time has been reserched and "confirmed" by Scholars.
I cant find any references.

It's looking like Adam as a ninety footer is logically and scientificaly unstainable.
What is science but human's own theories? theories that become bit more proven become facts while other's are nothing but "guesses". Do you know that the theory of evoultion has not been proven and yet it is thought as a "fact" in the education system?

Anyways, don't rely on the science a bit too much, they have been wrong and had to go back and fix their "facts" before. Science is only as good as the knowledge humans have today.

Islam on other hand has stood test of time for 1400yrs. Even though it is a religion, it is still more credible and years ahead of science.

Anyways, it may seem unstainable currently and that maybe true but we are talking about ages ago. "logically speaking" dinosaurs and other giant animals would be also unstainable due to their large size. But then again it's unstaniability is a human's guess based on the little science advancement he has made. Give it another 50yrs and scientist will star saying something.

As for shrinkage being research. I did come across an article few years back. Try googling bottleneck effect, humans, science and jews.
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As for shrinkage being research. I did come across an article few years back. Try googling bottleneck effect, humans, science and jews.
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TEL AVIV, ISRAEL - At the recent Israeli colloquium on science and religion, Dr. Shlomi Lesser of Hebrew University, and the Chairman of the Hofesh V'Mada Society (a stalwart for deeply skeptical Israeli scientists), led a heated debate between biologists and ultra-orthodox Rabbis on the origins of life. Many of the spectators, including those of a deeply religious stance, came away with the feeling that the Rabbis had not done very well against their "Epicurean" counterparts.

The hi-light of the evening came when Dr. Lesser engaged in a one-on-one question exchange with Rabbi Dovid Brown of Yeshiva University. At one point Dr. Lesser asked R. Brown how tall the first man was, to which the esteemed Rabbi replied "he was roughly the size of an average man according to chazal [Jewish sages]." From there Dr. Lesser revealed that genetic research has revealed that the human race coming from a single pair of parents is impossible in light of the biological bottle-neck [a term for the strain put on successive generations by inbreeding] they would have to travel through.

"Our research, in conjunction with the research of other respected institutions around the world, has demonstrated that the entire human population descending from a single pair of human ancestors is highly unlikely." stated Dr. Lesser. "It would seem that the traditional view of groups, not individuals, evolving has been corroborated; the only way man could descend from a single pair (rather than from an entire group of transitional hominids) is if the original pair were literally giants in the pre-nutrition age."

As Dr. Lesser pointed out, prior to the breakthroughs in nutrition that took place in the 17th and 18th centuries, genetic evidence revealed that man would have been shrinking if he came from a single human ancestor. His calculations revealed that in order for the human race to reach the state it was in during the 17th century, the "Adam and Eve" story would only be plausible if the first man was 90 feet tall (which is fantastic to say the least). "There is no other way man could traverse the genetic bottleneck" Dr. Lesser again said. "If Adam was the size of any other man according to the learned Rabbis of the Jewish religion, this demonstrates an obvious absurdity to this myth."
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You mean this

I think this is yet another islamic science hoax.
yea that one. i think islam or muslims had nothing to do with that get together. So, how is it an "islamic science" hoax? any evidence on that? 2ndly, what's the source of that article?
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yea that one. i think islam or muslims had nothing to do with that get together. So, how is it an "islamic science" hoax? any evidence on that? 2ndly, what's the source of that article?
Well, it can only be traced to islamic sites. Besides there's no information about Hofesh V'Mada and Shlomi Lesser to be found on the net, apart from the article.
the article does not elaborate on the calculation Dr Lesser supposedly made, I can't think of any way how anyone could calculate the height of a man to such precision without knowing where, when, how etc he lived. He didn't use scintific data, as there's no evidence of there being a single first man, nor the place and time he lived. And he can't have used jewish data about Adam living 6000 years ago. If he did use it, his findings are false, as it is a well known fact that there were much smaller humans around more than 6000 ago.
   
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Well, it can only be traced to islamic sites. Besides there's no information about Hofesh V'Mada and Shlomi Lesser to be found on the net, apart from the article.
the article does not elaborate on the calculation Dr Lesser supposedly made, I can't think of any way how anyone could calculate the height of a man to such precision without knowing where, when, how etc he lived. He didn't use scintific data, as there's no evidence of there being a single first man, nor the place and time he lived. And he can't have used jewish data about Adam living 6000 years ago. If he did use it, his findings are false, as it is a well known fact that there were much smaller humans around more than 6000 ago.
Like i said, do you have the sources? I'm not sure if i found it on islamic or secular site few years back. In either case, you'll have to excuse me if i believe my Quran than some human scientist with miserly studying of 10yrs to tell me that we came from monkeys. He can be a monkey's uncle all he wants.
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Like i said, do you have the sources? I'm not sure if i found it on islamic or secular site few years back. In either case, you'll have to excuse me if i believe my Quran than some human scientist with miserly studying of 10yrs to tell me that we came from monkeys. He can be a monkey's uncle all he wants.
I'm not saying you can't believe what you believe, I'm just saying I'm not buying it.

btw: what sources exactly do you expect me to find? It's you who claims the article and the scientists are genuine and you're supposed to prove it. All I can say is that today the article can be found on islamic sites and sites refuting islamic sites.

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I'm not saying you can't believe what you believe, I'm just saying I'm not buying it.

btw: what sources exactly do you expect me to find? It's you who claims the article and the scientists are genuine and you're supposed to prove it. All I can say is that today the article can be found on islamic sites and sites refuting islamic sites.
I just said that i found such an article on the topic few years back. Anyways, what i believe is what i believe and same goes for you. My belief has stood test of time for 1400yrs and so it helps me to know the facts where as you will have just wait till the scientists get smart enough to shed some light on this (if they ever stop being monkey's uncle )
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I just said that i found such an article on the topic few years back. Anyways, what i believe is what i believe and same goes for you. My belief has stood test of time for 1400yrs and so it helps me to know the facts where as you will have just wait till the scientists get smart enough to shed some light on this (if they ever stop being monkey's uncle )
Well, there is not a major religion in the world whose adhearents will admit that their books are flawed in any way. I for one don't think any religious text is flawless including the Quran.
This topic is about Adam being 90 feet tall and I seriously doubt that a humanlike being could be 90 feet tall and survive, for the reasons I sated previously.
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If dinosaurs were huge back in the days, then i wouldn't be surprised if humans survived in a similar enironment.


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Well, there is not a major religion in the world whose adhearents will admit that their books are flawed in any way. I for one don't think any religious text is flawless including the Quran.
This topic is about Adam being 90 feet tall and I seriously doubt that a humanlike being could be 90 feet tall and survive, for the reasons I sated previously.
So, this is one of the reasons I remain an agnostic.
Why not? And survive for how long? Just imagine it a walking giant, able to take cover in giant trees, could eat giant crops, travel to places in a couple of leaps to get things needed etc. Also it must be cool being able to get to places in a fraction of time

i'm sure that the average lifetime in that era was a couple hundred years
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I can't imagine humans being 7 feet tall. That is just not possible, it's unstainable i tell ya!
-says one 3ft midgyet to another....

What! My ancestors were that huge and ruled the earth? Impossible!!
-says one lizard to the other....
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