11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct...

Some say that there is a contradictin in this verse. They claim taht water could not have been there beofre the creation of the atmosphere.

Am I the only one who thinks taht when it is said that the throne was above the waters, taht it is implying after the creation when life started out in the oceean and his throne was above that?

Some english translations arent very accurate, so dont trust it completly
BUT
I think it meant AFTER he created it or AFTER the water was created....do u speak arabic?

Tafsir of 11:7

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Use www.tafsir.com - it comes in handy sometimes...

I can't find any contradiction in the English verse. It says Allah created the heavens and the earth, which includes the atmospehere, the oceans etc, and put a throne (or whatever it symbolizes) over the waters afterwards. Unless the verse in Arabic directly implies the throne was over the waters all along, from the beginning, there's no contradiction.

It is reported on the authority of Al-'Abbas (ra) that Allah's Messenger said:

"Do you know what is the distance between the heaven and the earth?" We said: "Allah and His Messenger know best." He said: "The distance between them is five hundred years and the distance between one heaven and the next is five hundred years and the dimension of each heaven would take five hundred years to travel and there is a sea between the seventh heaven and the `Arsh which has between its lowest and highest ends the distance equvalent to that between the heavens and the earth. And Allah , Most High, is above that and nothing is withheld from Him of the deeds of the sons of Adam." (Narrated by Abu Dawood and others)

Allah's Messenger informs us in this Hadith that the distance between each of the seven heavens is equivalent to five hundred years' travel and the distance between the earth and the lowest heaven is also equivalent to five hundred years' travel and between the seventh heaven and the `Arsh is a like distance and that the breadth of each heaven is likewise five hundred years and that Allah is above His `Arsh and nothing of His creation is hidden from Him.

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cr...T1-chap-64.htm



There is a sea or water between the 7th heaven and Allah's Throne ['Arsh.]

We don't know the 'howness' [kayfa] of these things since they're part of the unseen.

wow


Wasalaam

Out of curiosity why is that?

This water is referring to a water below Allah's throne, not the water of this world. And Allah knows best.

First off, thanks ALOT for the quick responses. I know I can always bring my questions here for answers. Second, WOW my spelling was BAD!! I was typing that quickly before running to class heh...

Third, these days everytime I surf the web about the Quran, sites fcome up claiming contradictions, and you know how it is with Google, you get to see a snippet of the site's words under the websites URL. Everytime I see that I start compulsively examining them to disprove them, otherwise I can't rest. I feel that I am putting too much consideration into the claims of kuffars who talk against the Quran. Any help on resolving this dilemma?

Bro, you have to learn to ignore it lol cuz trust me, otherwise you're throwing yourself into a pool of confusion, i'd rather that you learn through learning instead of questioning without having any clear answers - which might even cause doubt and weakness in faith.


That's my advice to you bro.

Greetings brother, the controversy stemmed from something like this: THe heavens and the earth were created in six periods AND Allah's ( SWT) throne was above the waters. So they said that there wasn't water int he beginning of the formation of the earth, there was water only after a certain time, such as after the atmosphere being formed and such.

The explanation bro Qatada gave is very convincing. Perhaps then Allah ( SWT) was referring to the sea between the heavens, the other interpretation is that the verse is just saying that Allah is referring to the throne after the creation of the earth up to the point of containing water. Kinda confusing but what do you think?

Dear brother
These people create such confusion for their anti - islamic agenda.

Look at this verse :
وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَق السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَ كَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاء
These are in fact two sentences connected by "waw". In Arabic "faa" and "thumma" are also used for connection .But there is a difference in their meaning
- 'Waw" does show that two events are happening without showing their temporal sequence e.g if you say

جاء عمر و بكر
Literally it means Umar and Bakr came. But it does not show who came first.It is possible that Bakr came first and Umar later or opposite.But if you say
جاء عمر ثم بكر
Now here it clearly shows that Umar came first then Bakr .Same is the case with word "faa".
What I want to sayis that in the above Quranic verse if some sentence is coming after another sentence by being connected through waw ,does not mean the event in the first sentece happened first ,and event in the second sentence happened later.It can be other way round as I told you above.

Secondly ,the word كا ن in the second sentence needs elaboration . No doubt one of its meaning is "was " but other meaning is "Is" e.g.
إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ غَفُورًا رَحِيمًا [النساء/23]

You will translate it as ,Indeed ,God IS forgiving and Merciful" not as "God WAS forgiving and merciful"
Hope it helps

Dont u think it would be better If we spent more time thinking and changing ourselves, rather than going deep and asking unnecessary questions (that will weaken our faith)...?

Just a thought...dont jump down my throat...

^Wa'alykum As-Salam sister
knowledge increases your imaan just like the verse of the Qur'an says that the people with more knowledge have more taqwa [interpretation of the meaning]. The more harder questions you will be able to answer--posted by enemies of Islam--the stronger your imaan becomes. Maybe that's just me, it could differ from person to person.

As-Salamu 'Alaykum