Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? - Page 6

**Muezzin** · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-06-2008

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Originally Posted by ozdload

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Let not those grieve thee who rush headlong into Unbelief: Not the least harm will they do to God: God's plan is that He will give them no portion in the Hereafter, but a severe punishment.

Surah 3 Verse 176

What would be a logical or a holy or indeed another reason for such punishment

A 'severe punishment' for an unbeliever would probably be non-stop marathons of Songs of Praise.

Heck, that's torture even if you believe.

Malaikah · 01:36 PM

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Out of curiosity, when was a human beings given the ability to judge who Allah wills to show the true path and leave blind?

We aren't. We are not allowed to say that a specific person XYZ is going to hell - Allah alone is the judge of that.

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Truthfully, please don't think that your disbelief bothers us in the slightest. We worry too much about our own end.

That isn't nice! And not entirely true either... I'm bothered by the disbelief by a lot of people (okay, so not s much random ppl on the internet but certain people I know in my day to day life).

Scents of Jannah · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-06-2008

asalam alaikum wr wb/ greetings

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Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis
Signs? As if you have proof that God doesn't exist hmmmm. We don't expect you to see any sign except if Allah wills. That's because your inability to see is the blindness that has already been mentioned in the Quran.

Truthfully, please don't think that your disbelief bothers us in the slightest. We worry too much about our own end.

Out of curiosity, when was a human beings given the ability to judge who Allah wills to show the true path and leave blind?

I'm sorry if I confused anyone, my writing style is weak I know lol

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Signs? As if you have proof that God doesn't exist hmmmm.

here, I meant that disbelievers always ask us for proof of God's existence yet don't have any proof themselves that God doesn't exist.

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We don't expect you to see any sign except if Allah wills.

Meaning, only Allah can guide whom He will, otherwise I don't expect you to see the truth.

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That's because your inability to see is the blindness that has already been mentioned in the Quran.

My reason for not expecting you to believe is because Allah has stated in the Quran that He has put a seal on 'their' hearts. Hence I don't expect a disbeliever to believe anything a muslim or Islam says. That's not saying I know who Allah will guide.

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That isn't nice! And not entirely true either... I'm bothered by the disbelief by a lot of people (okay, so not s much random ppl on the internet but certain people I know in my day to day life).

If Allah says don't be grieved (bothered as I put it) then why should I be? That doesn't mean I don't want them to be guided - I'm just not going to try convincing them continuously.

**aamirsaab** · 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ozdload

[color="DimGray"]honestly don't understand what you mean. That verse is pretty self explanatory. The way I understand it is: don't worry about those who become disbelievers (and begin attacking Islam) - they cannot harm God. Instead, they themselves will be punished in the hereafter.

That' the question; if they have done no harm and done no wrong why the punishment; what would be the purpose of it .

A quick browse on the internet and I found this. A clear and concise commentary on verse 178 (which directly relates to 176 and 177). I'd also recommend reading ayats 175 to 179 as these 5 ayats relate to one specific thing.

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'If you only have love for your own race. You only leave space to discriminate. When you discriminate, it only generates hate. And when ya hate, ya bound to get irate''

one would have to agree with this message but I am not sure who or which race
you would like to be the beneficiary of this salient advice

It has a broad meaning - mainly for the benefit of mankind as a whole. In its most general sense it means don't discriminate based on race, creed or colour - I find it particularly important as I practically live by that moral code. It's also something infused within Islam itself.

ozdload · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Malaikah

I don't know about you, but Muslims certainly don't think murder and mutilation of innocent people are 'brave and honorable deeds'.

Murder is punishable by the death penalty and I don't know what the punishment for mutilation is, though I imagine it wouldn't be light.

Honestly now, there is no need for you to take such a condescending tone.

Honour killings and mutilations are weekly occurrences in the tribal areas of Pakistan and northern Africa - mostly with the express approval of the village elders; so I can't see how your above post would sit in these particular circumstances. The female victims would not careless about the tones of these forums all they would care about is the cessation of the mutilations.

asadxyz · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-07-2008

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Originally Posted by ozdload

Honour killings and mutilations are weekly occurrences in the tribal areas of Pakistan and northern Africa - mostly with the express approval of the village elders; so I can't see how your above post would sit in these particular circumstances. The female victims would not careless about the tones of these forums all they would care about is the cessation of the mutilations.

Ozdload!
Is your discussion about Islamic teachings or Pakistani tribal area customs ?
First decide then post.You know this is the problem with the atheists ,they do not use their mind.

Light of Heaven · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-07-2008

I think he's trying to assume its a part of Islam. If he has then, dunno where he's been! Prolly in lala land

ozdload · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Malaikah

I don't know about you, but Muslims certainly don't think murder and mutilation of innocent people are 'brave and honorable deeds'.

Murder is punishable by the death penalty and I don't know what the punishment for mutilation is, though I imagine it wouldn't be light.

Honestly now, there is no need for you to take such a condescending tone.

asadxyz

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Originally Posted by ozdload
Honour killings and mutilations are weekly occurrences in the tribal areas of Pakistan and northern Africa - mostly with the express approval of the village elders; so I can't see how your above post would sit in these particular circumstances. The female victims would not careless about the tones of these forums all they would care about is the cessation of the mutilations.
Ozdload!
Is your discussion about Islamic teachings or Pakistani tribal area customs ?
First decide then post.You know this is the problem with the atheists ,they do not use their mind.
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Who can be more irrational than those who say: Design is possible without a designer ??

My dear asadxyz I was trying to point out to our other learned friend that "murder and mutilation of innocent people are 'brave and honorable deeds'." do in deed take place in the islamic world and i quoted a couple of instances that are well known for these happenings and where the only influence on public behavior is islamic teaching. But on your insistence i point out that these horrible deeds also regularly take place in all islamic societies. like the Middle East, Bradford UK., Islamic outposts and enclaves.

Your statement that Atheists , they do not use their mind is unkind. WE regularly use our minds in an effort to unravel the mystery of why all the followers of the main religions which espouse peace and harmony and goodwill can use their teachings to rapidly erupt into bouts of sanctioned violence when defending their faith, regardless whether they feel maligned by their own women folk or other infidel followers of other faiths. Then they go to say that they are the only saviors of the world and the only ones to have a heavenly entrance to the hereafter. Crikey!.

asadxyz · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-07-2008

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Originally Posted by ozdload

asadxyz

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Originally Posted by ozdload
Honour killings and mutilations are weekly occurrences in the tribal areas of Pakistan and northern Africa - mostly with the express approval of the village elders; so I can't see how your above post would sit in these particular circumstances. The female victims would not careless about the tones of these forums all they would care about is the cessation of the mutilations.
Ozdload!
Is your discussion about Islamic teachings or Pakistani tribal area customs ?
First decide then post.You know this is the problem with the atheists ,they do not use their mind.
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Who can be more irrational than those who say: Design is possible without a designer ??

My dear asadxyz I was trying to point out to our other learned friend that "murder and mutilation of innocent people are 'brave and honorable deeds'." do in deed take place in the islamic world and i quoted a couple of instances that are well known for these happenings and where the only influence on public behavior is islamic teaching. But on your insistence i point out that these horrible deeds also regularly take place in all islamic societies. like the Middle East, Bradford UK., Islamic outposts and enclaves.

Your statement that Atheists , they do not use their mind is unkind. WE regularly use our minds in an effort to unravel the mystery of why all the followers of the main religions which espouse peace and harmony and goodwill can use their teachings to rapidly erupt into bouts of sanctioned violence when defending their faith, regardless whether they feel maligned by their own women folk or other infidel followers of other faiths. Then they go to say that they are the only saviors of the world and the only ones to have a heavenly entrance to the hereafter. Crikey!.

It is all ridiculous to discuss any intellectual matter with the people who cannot differentiate between teaching of islam and individual acts.
If tomorrow you see some muslim drinking ,you will definitely say that islam advocates drinking .
Bye ,I am no more in discussion.

arabianprincess · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-07-2008

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Originally Posted by ozdload

Honour killings and mutilations are weekly occurrences in the tribal areas of Pakistan and northern Africa - mostly with the express approval of the village elders; so I can't see how your above post would sit in these particular circumstances. The female victims would not careless about the tones of these forums all they would care about is the cessation of the mutilations.

i know how u ppl think... u guys assume that any person who is muslim ... did anythin bad .. u guys throw it back on islam.... look not alll muslims r prefect after allllll in everywhere we got good ppl n bad ones toooo... i think u should know that by now .. since its everywhere.. welllllll ppl do make mistakes... anywayz... i

i dont get when any white guys who do stuff here in america or watever .. killin rapin etc... how come they dont blame his religion.. NO u guys say oh well he had mental issues or hes probably had a bad childhooood ... when u guys start blaming ur religion than we equal... well yall never blame it on the christianity ! is that FAIR now NO..... for the last time .... stop comparing wat ppl do with islam .. or relate it .. just cuz some head or elder said its ok... that doesnt mean he speaks for islam... or its ok... please stop actin like the meida !

ozdload · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-07-2008

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Originally Posted by arabianprincess

i know how u ppl think... u guys assume that any person who is muslim ... did anythin bad .. u guys throw it back on islam.... look not alll muslims r prefect after allllll in everywhere we got good ppl n bad ones toooo... i think u should know that by now .. since its everywhere.. welllllll ppl do make mistakes... anywayz... i

i dont get when any white guys who do stuff here in america or watever .. killin rapin etc... how come they dont blame his religion.. NO u guys say oh well he had mental issues or hes probably had a bad childhooood ... when u guys start blaming ur religion than we equal... well yall never blame it on the christianity ! is that FAIR now NO..... for the last time .... stop comparing wat ppl do with islam .. or relate it .. just cuz some head or elder said its ok... that doesnt mean he speaks for islam... or its ok... please stop actin like the meida !

Hi Princess I agree that One could find many cases of bad behavior by white americano extremists but the title of this thread was Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? So thats why i commented on that aspect of human endeavour . If you want to start a thread on white honcho's behaving badly I would gladly join in .

arabianprincess · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-07-2008

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Originally Posted by ozdload

Hi Princess I agree that One could find many cases of bad behavior by white americano extremists but the title of this thread was Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? So thats why i commented on that aspect of human endeavour . If you want to start a thread on white honcho's behaving badly I would gladly join in .

well i was just commenting on wat ur wrote... n thats about it

Light of Heaven · **Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? -** 06-08-2008

Innit, he just likes twisting everything and trying to act smart when really, ur full of it!

Roger? Better have..

**Muezzin** · 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ozdload

My dear asadxyz I was trying to point out to our other learned friend that "murder and mutilation of innocent people are 'brave and honorable deeds'." do in deed take place in the islamic world and i quoted a couple of instances that are well known for these happenings and where the only influence on public behavior is islamic teaching. But on your insistence i point out that these horrible deeds also regularly take place in all islamic societies. like the Middle East, Bradford UK., Islamic outposts and enclaves.

Your statement that Atheists , they do not use their mind is unkind. WE regularly use our minds in an effort to unravel the mystery of why all the followers of the main religions which espouse peace and harmony and goodwill can use their teachings to rapidly erupt into bouts of sanctioned violence when defending their faith, regardless whether they feel maligned by their own women folk or other infidel followers of other faiths. Then they go to say that they are the only saviors of the world and the only ones to have a heavenly entrance to the hereafter. Crikey!.

You don't like it when people make sweeping statements about atheists. Your dissatisfaction with such generalisations are understandable and reasonable.

However, you then go on to say all followers of the 'main religions' are violent nutters.

Come on, mate. You're sounding as prejudiced and as dug in to your position as the extremists you hate.

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Light of Heaven Jazzy Status: Offline Posts: 5,385 Reputation: 13892 Rep Power: 37 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dunya a.k.a New York...lol Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? - 06-07-2008 I think he's trying to assume its a part of Islam. If he has then, dunno where he's been! Prolly in lala land __________________ Keep the plight of the Ummah in your Du'as InshaAllah

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Light of Heaven Jazzy Status: Offline Posts: 5,385 Reputation: 13892 Rep Power: 37 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dunya a.k.a New York...lol Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? - 06-08-2008 Innit, he just likes twisting everything and trying to act smart when really, ur full of it! Roger? Better have.. __________________ Keep the plight of the Ummah in your Du'as InshaAllah