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Default Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? - 05-16-2008

Here is an interesting quote by Homer "Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder"

Keeping that in mind; why do you say Islam is the only true religion?

what is the criteria, we have to consider to weigh a religion in order for us to come to the conclusion that it is indeed the only true religion?
   
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Keeping that in mind; why do you say Islam is the only true religion?

what is the criteria, we have to consider to weigh a religion in order for us to come to the conclusion that it is indeed the only true religion?
For me, it was/is always logic. Islam is the most logical religion I have ever encountered. It is perfect.

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Allah doesn't need us to worship Him, He doesn't even need us to believe in Him. The Greatness of His Kingdom does not decrease or diminish because of the lack of believers, nor is it expanded with abundant believers. He exists whether we believe in Him or we don't. We have been given the ability to question and seek knowledge to learn, it is our faults if we choose live in ignorance or follow blindly. There would be no reason for us to follow the wrong religion if there are clear signs of a correct religion. Though, people choose to run with their desires and therefore following something by desire or arrogance, rather than by logic (what is correct, despite whether they agree with it or not).
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Default Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? - 05-16-2008

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Allah doesn't need us to worship Him, He doesn't even need us to believe in Him. The Greatness of His Kingdom does not decrease or diminish because of the lack of believers, nor is it expanded with abundant believers. He exists whether we believe in Him or we don't. We have been given the ability to question and seek knowledge to learn, it is our faults if we choose live in ignorance or follow blindly. There would be no reason for us to follow the wrong religion if there are clear signs of a correct religion. Though, people choose to run with their desires and therefore following something by desire or arrogance, rather than by logic (what is correct, despite whether they agree with it or not).
I totally agree with the fact that Allah, does not require anyone to believe in Him.

What are these Clear signs?
   
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For me, it was/is always logic. Islam is the most logical religion I have ever encountered. It is perfect.

I have been impressed by the interlocking, circular, stragely logical structure of the Koran as well, but I sense you mean something more than that?
   
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The Qur'an.

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I believe the criteria to be the theology and the scripture of the religion in question.
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Default Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? - 05-16-2008

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The Qur'an.
I would suspect his next question to be

"and why do you beleive the Qur'an?"
   
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^^I'll expect he has an answer for it too
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^^I'll expect he has an answer for it too

This is a very suspocisious and expectable thread>.>

   
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Default Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? - 05-16-2008

^^Lol.

Honestly, no other religion is more logical than Islam. Just cause "humans" think it isnt, doesnt negate the fact that it is logical. Allah has set precautions for our actions and in most cases the reasons for it are obvious when you look at society. If you actually sit back and observe(honestly and with an open mind), you'd notice it. Seriously.
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Default Re: Why do you say Islam is the only true religion? - 05-16-2008

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^^Lol.

Honestly, no other religion is more logical than Islam. Just cause "humans" think it isnt, doesnt negate the fact that it is logical. Allah has set precautions for our actions and in most cases the reasons for it are obvious when you look at society. If you actually sit back and observe(honestly and with an open mind), you'd notice it. Seriously.
I'm about 1/4 through my copy, the only thing I find objectable is this(which perhapse you can explain as you seem to have done much reflection on it)

It is in the Chapter(sorry forget the proper name) "Women", part 38(?)(Sorry for not knowing the proper names and refrences.

It starts with "Men are the managers in the affair of women" but goes on, "And those you feel may be rebellious admonish them; banish them to their couches, and beat them."

that seems wrong(beat them), other than that I have been very impressed with the text itself, I can't speak arabic and so am confined to an English ranslation(by A.J. Arberry) and like I said find the logical structure of the text somehow logically beautifull, kind of like an elegent proof.
   
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Yea....whoever translated that didnt do a very good job! English is not even close to supporting the Arabic language. But ummm i dont speak Arabic either lol. For that beat part though....its really supposed to be like a tap(lightly) with something like a miswak or toothbrush, but not on her face. not allowed to hit anyones face.

Ummm but i think u should wait for an answer. i dont wana give it to u wrong.

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Yea....whoever translated that didnt do a very good job! English is not even close to supporting the Arabic language. But ummm i dont speak Arabic either lol. For that beat part though....its really supposed to be like a tap(lightly) with something like a miswak or toothbrush, but not on her face. not allowed to hit anyones face.

Ummm but i think u should wait for an answer. i dont wana give it to u wrong.

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I have been impressed by the interlocking, circular, stragely logical structure of the Koran as well, but I sense you mean something more than that?
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Authu Billahi mina Shaytan-ir Rajeem [i seek refuge from the accursed Satan]

Bismillah ar-Rahman ir-Raheem, [in the Name of Allah, the most Benificent, the Most Merciful]

what Sister Charisma wrote was beautiful, and should be pondered.

being raised a Catholic and thinking about the history of the organisation, i often felt: "Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder"

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Keeping that in mind; why do you say Islam is the only true religion?
it's the final message by the final Prophet(pbuh) and it confirms the messages of those sent before him.

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we cannot reach the conclusion for you, ONLY Allah(SWT) can bring you to the realization of the truth. FROM MY VIEWPOINT, Islam's totality of guidance and the ACTUAL GENEROSITY of the Sharia stood out PROOF to me. i mean assuming a) God exists and b) He has spoken to mankind and c) His Message would make total sense, Islam cleans the clock of the other 2 Abrahamic faiths.

Judaism rejected the Messiah Jesus/Isa(pbuh), as well as turning to a Priestly dominated religion in the time of Ezra and Hezekiah. It also has a pretty bad track record of killing the Prophets.[see Nehemiah ch. 9] Christianity has the Catholic Church and the fact that majority of churches are her daughter. It, also seems way too focused on Jesus(pbuh) and, imho, totally neglects "the Father!"

Islam MAY APPEAR to be something "different" or "new", but it is simply a return to the religion of Abraham(pbuh) and is in reality an elaborate and complete form of the 7 Noahide Laws, so much so that a vast number of Jews [including some that have posted here on this forum] are of the opinion the proper followers of Islam are entitled to Jannah [Heaven] according to their beliefs.

In Islam, one learns about Allah Ta'Aala in ways totally neglected by Christians, who focus instead on Jesus[pbuh]. when you base your life around the 5 daily prayers and constantly call on God [Allah Ta'Aala] for assistance, many of the sayings of Jesus[pbuh] start to make sense. Moses/Musa [pbuh] is the most referred to Prophet in the Qur'an and we end up with a Religion that focuses on worshipping and obeying God [Allah Ta'Aala], but with Moses[pbuh] and Jesus[pbuh] and other Prophets [alayhe Salaam] as well pointing to the same Truth preached by Muhammad ibn Abdullah[pbuh]!

to learn more about the Qur'an and Islam, listen to these lectures by Mufti Ismail Menk, especially:

3. Tafseer - Ramadaan 1426 (2005) Klerksdorp (Reasons of Revelation of verses of the Noble Qur'an)

http://www.muftimenk.co.za/Downloads.html

the Tafseer lectures are given after the Taraweeh prayers in the month of Ramadhan and focus mainly on the part of the Qur'an that was read that evening. each evening of Ramadhan, after the Isha Prayer, there is a voluntary Taraweeh prayer in which one thirtieth of the Qur'an s recited during prayer so that you complete the Qur'an in 29 days [reading an extra quarter Juz in the 1st 4 nights.]

Mufti Menk is a very inspiring speaker and the Asbab Un Nazool[Reasons of Revelation] is very helpful in understanding the Qur'an in all of it's Magnificence! you should attempt to listen to the entire months lecture!

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I'm about 1/4 through my copy, the only thing I find objectable is this(which perhapse you can explain as you seem to have done much reflection on it)

It is in the Chapter(sorry forget the proper name) "Women", part 38(?)(Sorry for not knowing the proper names and refrences.

It starts with "Men are the managers in the affair of women" but goes on, "And those you feel may be rebellious admonish them; banish them to their couches, and beat them."

that seems wrong(beat them), other than that I have been very impressed with the text itself, I can't speak arabic and so am confined to an English ranslation(by A.J. Arberry) and like I said find the logical structure of the text somehow logically beautifull, kind of like an elegent proof.
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

Authu Billahi mina Shaytan-ir Rajeem [i seek refuge from the accursed Satan]

Bismillah ar-Rahman ir-Raheem, [in the Name of Allah, the most Benificent, the Most Merciful]

you might, In Sha'a Allah, find this link useful:

http://quran.islamicnetwork.com/

find the surah that you want an open it, then check the boxes at the top of the page for different translations.

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Muhsin Khan: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill*conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.
what Jazzy wrote is pretty much as i have been taught.

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Greetings and peace be with you Nerd;
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"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god.
God chooses whom he wills, maybe the choice is not ours to make.

Having said that I am a Christian, and I look at the sincerity of faith in people of many diverse religions. I wonder as to why God would choose in this way? After all; we are all created by the same God.

In the spirit of praying for greater interfaith friendships and relations.

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