So that hadith meant she felt pain by shame or something now pain in physically right?

Well, Sore usually means that you can feel something for a while afterwards.
So either she felt spiritual pain for some time, over following him to see what he was up to, and the tap was coincidence or a miracle, or It was physical pain and a hell of a whack.

^ Lol i doubt its a hell of a whack... its the prophet we is talkin bout
this hadith couldnt be true if its saying rasulallah did this, and caused physical pain, it could be a fake hadith.

The explainations in Alpha's post make it seem that way.
BTW:

What constitutes the severity of the word lahaza? Does the definition state that it is a "light" slap or just a slap? If you can please write the word in arabic so I can look it up.

If she became sore because of this, then the push had inflicted physical pain on her. Given that, this couldn't have been a action done by the Prophet. No where in the Quran is hitting of the wife justified. If you bring up 4:34, then I'll tell you in advanced that its mistranslated.

Peace.

Honestly, I have no intention of getting into another discussion with you explaining the issues because you've made it clear many times before that you are a hadeeth-rejector. The explanation is there, and it is self explanatory.

Learn arabic. It'll not only help you understand this hadeeth, perhaps you'll understand the Qur'an then too instead of relying on your heretic (by the consensus of the Ummah) mu'tazila friends who are misleading you by their whims and desires.

{And the Day the wrongdoer will bite on his hands [in regret] he will say, "Oh, I wish I had taken with the Messenger a way. Oh, woe to me! I wish I had not taken that one as a friend. He led me away from the remembrance after it had come to me. And ever is Satan, to man, a deserter.}[al-Furqan; 27-29]

Giving you the word won't serve you any benefit because at the end of the day, your belief about hadeeth will not change due to the definition of a word. The problem here is greater than that, it lies in the usul whose knowledge you refuse to educate yourself about, whilst you are concerning yourself with the furoo, and anyone can only help you so far when you decide to take such a route.

Since you've never met the Prophet, never seen him, never talked to him, never observed him, never sat with him, it is isn't your place to judge what is an action that he can do or cannot do. Do you expect me to believe that the thousands of scholars in over the past millennium apparently did not see this 'problem' in this hadeeth and lo and behold you are the first one with the intelligence to find it? It seems that the hadeeth-rejectors claims fall into greater absurdity day by day! If you came up with an academic inquiry, it would be subsequently dealt with, but all you hadeeth-rejectors ever come up with is arguments based on the false (and completely irrelevant in academia) premises of your emotions as to what your whims dictate should be the truth. It doesn't work like that. These and the other hadeeths that you have a problem with, guess what? The rest of this ummah does not have a problem with them. Why? Because they take the time to learn, and to us the explanations make perfect and complete sense. Therefore, the problem simply does not lie in the hadeeth, but lies in the heart and intelligence of the one who reads it. It is like music. Two individuals hear the same thing the same sounds, but it is the heart that receives it: is either diseased or pure and based on that it likes what it hears or hates what it hears. Do you know what is worse than ignorance brother? It is to be heedless of the fact that one is ignorant.

i think something is trying to be found from the hadiths, when nothing is there lol

the hadiths is simple, we know the Prophet (saw) was the bestest of person, and as he himself says do you think that i will be unjust, so it shows it werent a act of violence or anger,

so i dooo believe its been answered

and if a hadith rejector is questioning hadiths lol, erm show me o hadith rejecting person from the Quraan how much rakaahs do you pray? do you believe in the sahaba? their names? and what about the dajjal pssssh you cant answer can you! may Allah (swt) guide us all and make us the best of muslims

now whoever is a mod in this areaa, close the thread (i wish i was a mod in this section) HINT HINT@admin

Greetings,

Please note that lay people are not qualified to interpret hadeeth, hence I would recommend those with such questions to ask the people of knowledge - those who have actually studied the sciences of hadeeth and are better qualified to shed light on the issue.


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