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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 229 Reputation: 482 Rep Power: 9 Join Date: Jun 2007 Way of Life: Undisclosed | (Sahih Bukhari, Kitab Al-Salat: Book 004, Number 2127) "Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you". Can someone give the correct interpretation of the above Hadith? |
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| Moderator Status: Offline Posts: 4,513 Reputation: 56490 Rep Power: 91 Join Date: Mar 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Your thread encouraged me to Google...I found this on another forum: Quote:
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| Seeking Truth Status: Offline Posts: 154 Reputation: 1016 Rep Power: 9 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New York City, USA Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Doesn't really make sense that the prophet would strike a lady like that in any way. It seems out of his character.
__________________ Allah never changes a Blessing that He has bestowed upon a nation until they first change themselves. And, certainly, God it is Who is Hearer, Knower. -The Holy Quran 8:53 ---------------------------------------------- Serve Allah by serving humanity. |
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| iwannagetmarried.com Status: Offline Posts: 6,823 Reputation: 50068 Rep Power: 91 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
Actually, since our understanding of his character is learned from the ahadeeth it would make no sense if one was to discredit a hadeeth just because the individual perceives it as 'out of his character'. Alpha Dude's post contains a very good explanation. It is completely authentic. No doubts about this. Alpha Dude's post contains a very good explanation. هَلْ جَزَاء الْإِحْسَانِ إِلَّا الْإِحْسَانُ؟ Is there any reward for good other than good? [ar-Rahman: 60] "However, keep in mind that you must instruct the people with kindness and mercy. Don’t take this answer and shove it in their faces. Be kind, gentle and patient." - Imam Suhaib Webb, advising after giving an answer. O Allah, Lord of Jibril, Mika'il and Israfil, Creator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants concerning that wherein they differ. Guide me with regard to that wherein there is dispute concerning the truth by Your leave, for You guide whomsoever You will to the straight path. Oh Allah, I seek refuge in You lest I misguide others, or I am misguided by others, lest I cause others to err or I am caused to err, lest I abuse others or be abused, and lest I behave foolishly or meet with the foolishness of others. | |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 2,477 Reputation: 8201 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | So Aisha by spying on the Prophet and what he was up to in the night had committed an unworthy or bad act and the Push/Strike was to eject the evil out of her, yep? |
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| iwannagetmarried.com Status: Offline Posts: 6,823 Reputation: 50068 Rep Power: 91 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Read the explanation and you can answer that yourself. It's not that hard.
__________________ هَلْ جَزَاء الْإِحْسَانِ إِلَّا الْإِحْسَانُ؟ Is there any reward for good other than good? [ar-Rahman: 60] "However, keep in mind that you must instruct the people with kindness and mercy. Don’t take this answer and shove it in their faces. Be kind, gentle and patient." - Imam Suhaib Webb, advising after giving an answer. O Allah, Lord of Jibril, Mika'il and Israfil, Creator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants concerning that wherein they differ. Guide me with regard to that wherein there is dispute concerning the truth by Your leave, for You guide whomsoever You will to the straight path. Oh Allah, I seek refuge in You lest I misguide others, or I am misguided by others, lest I cause others to err or I am caused to err, lest I abuse others or be abused, and lest I behave foolishly or meet with the foolishness of others. |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 2,477 Reputation: 8201 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | Quote:
From Alpha Dudes post, It looks like the Hitting/Pushes are a form of miracle, where physically interacting in this way can produce a spiritual effect. | |
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 229 Reputation: 482 Rep Power: 9 Join Date: Jun 2007 Way of Life: Undisclosed | ^Can someone confirm, whether pushing/hitting is some form of miracle which produces a spiritual effect as barny understood from alpha dudes description? |
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| Seeking Truth Status: Offline Posts: 154 Reputation: 1016 Rep Power: 9 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New York City, USA Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | So are you saying its ok to push/slap someone in the chest if they have evil thoughts?
__________________ Allah never changes a Blessing that He has bestowed upon a nation until they first change themselves. And, certainly, God it is Who is Hearer, Knower. -The Holy Quran 8:53 ---------------------------------------------- Serve Allah by serving humanity. |
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| iwannagetmarried.com Status: Offline Posts: 6,823 Reputation: 50068 Rep Power: 91 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
It seems to me you're just trying to find a meaning that isn't there in order to support your erroneous and ill informed hadeeth-doubting premise. هَلْ جَزَاء الْإِحْسَانِ إِلَّا الْإِحْسَانُ؟ Is there any reward for good other than good? [ar-Rahman: 60] "However, keep in mind that you must instruct the people with kindness and mercy. Don’t take this answer and shove it in their faces. Be kind, gentle and patient." - Imam Suhaib Webb, advising after giving an answer. O Allah, Lord of Jibril, Mika'il and Israfil, Creator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants concerning that wherein they differ. Guide me with regard to that wherein there is dispute concerning the truth by Your leave, for You guide whomsoever You will to the straight path. Oh Allah, I seek refuge in You lest I misguide others, or I am misguided by others, lest I cause others to err or I am caused to err, lest I abuse others or be abused, and lest I behave foolishly or meet with the foolishness of others. | |
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| Status: Offline Posts: 4,264 Reputation: 32160 Rep Power: 60 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ambala Boxes :( Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?
__________________you should have highlighted that bit he didnt strike her or anythin, as explained in SISTER alphas post, it was a poke or somethin light like a tap, and after poking/tappin her he says do you im unjust.... see subhanallah, he is like reminder her, its like when someone tels you off and taps you hand and says dont do that or dont say that, gerrit!! if it was meant in a violent way, he wouldnt say after that, Allah and his Prophet, will not deal unjustly with you, if it was in a violent way, he wouldnt have said that, he would have said somethin serious, not somethin sweet and nice like that! so point proven, NEXT "they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near" Surah al Baqarah v214 |
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| Fighting4Emaan Status: Offline Posts: 16,004 Reputation: 48512 Rep Power: 93 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fighting4Emaan Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | now highlight where the prophet sallallahi alaihi wasallaam was seen crying due to not being able to give the orphans anymore money due to not having any, seen by khadija who after seeing this gave him her wealth to give to the orphans which made him happy
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 2,477 Reputation: 8201 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | Quote:
Or perhaps it was metaphoric spiritual pain when she realised she was in error. Or this spiritual pain was so bad it caused actual physical pain. I'd be interested if the Scholars had a decision on this strike A physical action (the hitting) which causes a spiritual effect, (Driving away from sin or driving out sin or removing the Evil Eye) is miraculous. Although not in a red-sea parting way, it is on the same basis, with worldly actions and presumed effects. If it was a miracle it ought to have been documented as evidence of Allahs power working through the prophet? Mohammed commanded the ummah to not beat their wives (unless it was necessery), so I think we can take this as He wasnt beating her here, or that her error was sufficient to warrent admonishment, but the admonishment was just. | |
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