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Default Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-20-2008

(Sahih Bukhari, Kitab Al-Salat: Book 004, Number 2127)

"Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you".

Can someone give the correct interpretation of the above Hadith?
   
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-20-2008


Your thread encouraged me to Google...I found this on another forum:
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"Struck" is a bad translation here. The word used is 'lahaza' , which could be translated as "Push" and at most "slap with an open palm" but not a hard, violent slap (and note translating it as "slap" is weaker and less probable). A correct translation would be:

- He pushed me (lahadani) in the chest (fi sadri) with a push (lahdatan)which made me sore (awja'atni).

It is very interesting to note that "pushing" of the Prophet does indeed convey meaning - usually to drive away evil influence and thought.

- Amir ibn Raba and Sahl ibn Hunayf went out to bathe. Amir took off his woolen robe. He [Sahl] narrates: "I looked at him and I cast the evil eye on him. He went down into the water then I heard a noise coming from him. I called out to him three times but there was no answer. I went to call the Messenger of Allah who came on foot and waded his way in the water. Then he slapped/pushed his chest with his hand, saying: "O Allah! drive away from him its heat and its coolness and its harm." Then he rose up and said: "If one of you sees something that pleases him in his brother - whether in his person or property - let him invoke blessing for him, for the evil eye is a reality."

(Tafsir ibn Kathir)

Similarly, in a narration it states:

- Ubbay said: There occurred in my mind a sort of denial which did not occur even during the Days of Ignorance. When the Messenger of Allah saw how I was affected, he slapped/pushed me on the chest. I broke into a sweat and felt as if I were looking at Allah in fear.

(Sahih Muslim)

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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-21-2008

Doesn't really make sense that the prophet would strike a lady like that in any way. It seems out of his character.
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-21-2008

The Hadith is unreliable?
   
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-21-2008

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Doesn't really make sense that the prophet would strike a lady like that in any way. It seems out of his character.


Actually, since our understanding of his character is learned from the ahadeeth it would make no sense if one was to discredit a hadeeth just because the individual perceives it as 'out of his character'. Alpha Dude's post contains a very good explanation.


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The Hadith is unreliable?
It is completely authentic. No doubts about this.

Alpha Dude's post contains a very good explanation.
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-21-2008

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It is completely authentic. No doubts about this.

Alpha Dude's post contains a very good explanation.
So Aisha by spying on the Prophet and what he was up to in the night had committed an unworthy or bad act and the Push/Strike was to eject the evil out of her, yep?
   
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-21-2008

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So Aisha by spying on the Prophet and what he was up to in the night had committed an unworthy or bad act and the Push/Strike was to eject the evil out of her, yep?
Read the explanation and you can answer that yourself. It's not that hard.
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-22-2008

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Read the explanation and you can answer that yourself. It's not that hard.
Bah, I thought i had. I just wanted to confirm it.
From Alpha Dudes post, It looks like the Hitting/Pushes are a form of miracle, where physically interacting in this way can produce a spiritual effect.
   
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-22-2008

^Can someone confirm, whether pushing/hitting is some form of miracle which produces a spiritual effect as barny understood from alpha dudes description?
   
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-22-2008

Patience young padawan,
   
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-22-2008

So are you saying its ok to push/slap someone in the chest if they have evil thoughts?
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-22-2008

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So are you saying its ok to push/slap someone in the chest if they have evil thoughts?
Did it say that in the hadeeth?

It seems to me you're just trying to find a meaning that isn't there in order to support your erroneous and ill informed hadeeth-doubting premise.
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O Allah, Lord of Jibril, Mika'il and Israfil, Creator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants concerning that wherein they differ. Guide me with regard to that wherein there is dispute concerning the truth by Your leave, for You guide whomsoever You will to the straight path.
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-22-2008

I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?

you should have highlighted that bit

he didnt strike her or anythin, as explained in SISTER alphas post, it was a poke or somethin light like a tap, and after poking/tappin her he says do you im unjust.... see subhanallah, he is like reminder her, its like when someone tels you off and taps you hand and says dont do that or dont say that, gerrit!!

if it was meant in a violent way, he wouldnt say after that, Allah and his Prophet, will not deal unjustly with you, if it was in a violent way, he wouldnt have said that, he would have said somethin serious, not somethin sweet and nice like that!

so point proven, NEXT
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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-22-2008

now highlight where the prophet sallallahi alaihi wasallaam was seen crying due to not being able to give the orphans anymore money due to not having any, seen by khadija who after seeing this gave him her wealth to give to the orphans which made him happy

"DID THIS REALLY HAPPEN?"


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Default Re: Did Prophet Peace be upon him Struck Aisha (ra)? - 05-22-2008

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I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain",
he didnt strike her or anythin, as explained in SISTER alphas post, it was a poke or somethin light like a tap,
So not enough to cause pain.
Or perhaps it was metaphoric spiritual pain when she realised she was in error. Or this spiritual pain was so bad it caused actual physical pain.

I'd be interested if the Scholars had a decision on this strike
A physical action (the hitting) which causes a spiritual effect, (Driving away from sin or driving out sin or removing the Evil Eye) is miraculous.
Although not in a red-sea parting way, it is on the same basis, with worldly actions and presumed effects.

If it was a miracle it ought to have been documented as evidence of Allahs power working through the prophet?

Mohammed commanded the ummah to not beat their wives (unless it was necessery), so I think we can take this as He wasnt beating her here, or that her error was sufficient to warrent admonishment, but the admonishment was just.
   
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