Originally Posted by asadxyz

Just a "........." hypothesis.Any proof ??
Can any create human DNA just mixing up hydrogen ,Oxygen and nitrogen atoms today with all possible resources available? If no why to presume such type of hypothesis which are so ridiculous?

Originally Posted by Nerd

Bro, your first question was can we create DNA. To which I have given you couple of studies conducted to look into the matter. It is possible.
(Have a look through the thread).

Originally Posted by asadxyz

Dear Nerd
I do not know if you are aware of this fact that whole DNA (including coding and non coding regions) of every body is different from each other.It is the basis of DNA finger printing.

Originally Posted by Nerd

I am aware, that DNA is unique for everyone, and that it is composed of introns and exons and "gene"s. But I don't understand how that completely refutes the hypothesis of primodial soup.

Originally Posted by Azy

-How did Allah cause matter to come into existance ?
-How did Allah cause energy to come into exitance ?
Provide proof that we can test.

If you're going to say "Qur'an is proof", then please don't even bother answering.

Originally Posted by asadxyz

Again my question to Theory believers :
-How did matter come into existance ?
-How did energy come into exitance ?

Originally Posted by asadxyz

Counter questions indicate you have become helpless to answer my questions.
Allah is all powerful He can do whatever he likes.He created this Universe and Matter and Energy.
He rises the Sun daily and brings Nights.Call your super Powers to revert it .

Originally Posted by http://www.vuletic.com/hume/cefec/1-1.html

(ii) Can something come from nothing?

Even were we to assume, against physics, that there was some time prior to the origin of the universe when there was nothing except time, it is unclear what problem this would supposedly raise. There certainly is no logical contradiction in imagining there being nothing at one point in time and then there being something at a later point in time; it is not as though we are talking about "nothing" somehow metamorphosing into an existent something. Although the proposition that something cannot come from nothing (like the proposition that the Earth is flat) traditionally has been a matter of "common sense," it actually (like so much "common sense") reflects only popular prejudice and lacks rigorous logical support. It is not that we know something can come from nothing; it is just that the opposite cannot simply be taken for granted.

(iia) Is it observed? One argument against the idea of something coming from nothing is that we never observe such things happening. I suspect this kind of reasoning is always in the back of the mind of the average man, and explains why the idea is so counterintuitive. However, if we are talking about empty space when we talk about "nothing," then it actually is not true that we never observe things come from nothing: the quantum mechanical uncertainty principle allows for particle-antiparticle pairs to spontaneously appear out of empty space for very brief periods of time. These virtual particles (or quantum vacuum fluctuations) are ubiquitous, and create measurable effects such as the Casimir-Polder force and the Lamb shift. Some physicists have even invoked the same kind of mechanisms to generate theories of the origin of the entire universe from a background of empty spacetime (Tryon 1973).

One can, of course respond that virtual particles do not in fact appear out of nothing, because they occur in a background of spacetime in which quantum mechanics operates. While true, this response undermines the claim that we know from observation that nothing can come into existence out of nothing, since the closest thing to nothing that we are ever able to observe is empty spacetime.

(iib) Does it require self-creation? Another argument against the idea of something coming from nothing is that the idea supposedly requires self-creation, which is impossible since nothing can have causal power before it exists. For instance, creationists often assert that to say that the universe came from nothing is to say that it created itself. But this is not so: the idea of the universe "coming from nothing" commits one only to the view that at one time there was nothing, and then at a later time, the universe existed. Talk of causation, much less self-causation, does not need to enter the picture at all.

Originally Posted by asadxyz

Counter questions indicate you have become helpless to answer my questions.
Allah is all powerful He can do whatever he likes.He created this Universe and Matter and Energy.
He rises the Sun daily and brings Nights.Call your super Powers to revert it .

Originally Posted by asadxyz

You prove this hypothesis because burden of proof is the responsiblity of the person who claims.

Originally Posted by tetsujin

Actually, Brahman is the all powerful one. And he transcends all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe.

Even if you prayed for 50 years straight to Allah, you couldn't reverse the rotation of the earth or reduce Mt. Everest to sandy beach.



Joking aside, have you ever heard of the casimir effect or zero point energy?

No?

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/9747

Enjoy your reading. It even has the names o researchers that have don't the experiments and measure the force.




vacuum fluctuations, particle and antiparticle generation, baryogenesis



Do you believe in gravity, or electromagnetic forces? The "self-concocted" theories would not work if the were not based on observable fact. Unless you wish to believe that god, through his divine will, actively helps to keep us on the ground attracted towards the centre of our earth, the centre of our solar system, the centre of our galaxy, etc... then you have to provide proof for that. Do you understand why we still say the theory of gravity, and not the law of gravity? Basic understandings of what qualifies as a credible/respectable theory in science is needed before you can label anything as self-concocted in an attempt to discredit it.

Besides, the clothes you wear and the computer you're using was all based on self-concocted theories. You rely on them to get through each and every day.

If you want the proof, the mathematics has been done and the practical application are seen every day in micromachined devices, satellites, even the computer you're using.

Whether you're quoting the Rig Veda or the Qu'ran, claiming god did it is not an explanation at all as it lacks proof in every department.



Al the best wishes,



Faysal

Originally Posted by Azy

I was hoping for something more along the lines of...
"Allah is all powerful He can do whatever he likes, the proof/evidence I have is..."

Originally Posted by asadxyz

If you have no answer to these questions then only possibility remains that there is a SuperPower who created them,.Very rational approach.

Originally Posted by asadxyz

You are beating about the bush because you do not have answer to my question.If God did not create all this matter and energy then
-How did matter come into existance ?
-How did energy come into existance?
If you have no answer to these questions then only possibility remains that there is a SuperPower who created them,.Very rational approach.Think like a scientists ,do not believe hearsay and self concocted theories which today accepted and very next day rebutted.
Allah knew and created the cloning process.Science could not detect it till 20th century.But Allah told us centuries ago that procreation is possible without mating of a male and female.Example Birth of Prophet Jesus PBUH in the Quran.
Could science believe just a few years back ?

Originally Posted by tetsujin

Are you telling me that Jesus (peace be upon him) was a clone of his mother (arguably a female)?



That's wonderful. You've demonstrated quite clearly that you've never had a proper education in science or the scientific method. The fact that you think presenting work that has already been done in the field is beating around the bush leads me to wonder if you even read what I provided for you. If you don't want to read it, just say so, it'll save you time and frustration.


All the best wishes,



Faysal