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**Al Habeshi** · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

So why God will make injustice to them?

Give me your understanding of Injustice.

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

Al Habeshi wrote:
Never a believer is stricken with a discomfort, an illness, an anxiety...
-- incorrect.
because a child is not matured.newly born baby dont know good or bad.then what to speak
of belive or disbelive?

The text is speaking about a believer, so even if as you say a child cannot be a believer, if this was the case then all this shows is that the particular text is not talking about it.

I quoted the text to show that a believer, when tested is rewarded for his pain, sorrow ect. A baby is considered pure and will be in paradise if they die pure, that is a reward!

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

I never faced any misery, and I never experienced any hardship.
-- incorrect
after getting sufferings if one said that o i never faced any sufferings! he is telling lie to God!

I do not mean to be rude, but maybe english is not your first language, neither mine

If you were to take the person's statement literally then maybe you could say the individual has not told the truth, i.e. he has had suffering before, but the point of the text is that, the reward for suffering that one has had before will be so much that the individual will feel as though he has never suffered!

This is justice, this is a reward! To the point that, if you want to ask as you do about suffering, why does God allow to suffer, then KNOW, that God will reward his servant, the patient ones and believers, with such a reward that even the most miserable man will claim, out of his immense reward, that he has not suffered before!

chinmoy · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

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There is a simple answer to all your questions. It is a test. If we have patience and pass it Allaah will reward us with Jannah InshaaAllaah. If we fail and turn away from Allaah, we will go to hell. It's that simple.

hahahahahaha! O dear! lol NO ANSWER! I KNOW THAT!

If we have patience and pass it Allaah will reward us with Jannah InshaaAllaah. If we fail and turn away from Allaah,

How a newly born blind baby are subject to pass and fail?
hahahahaha! really i cant control my laughter.

anway, pls dont waste time if you dont know.

wating for others reply..

crayon · 12:06 PM

Check out this thread, read it all, and then ask whatever questions you still have. The same questions you have now are discussed in it. Else it will just be repetition.

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/134265730-why-doesnt-god-stop-all-suffering-earth.html

**aamirsaab** · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

aamirsaab wrote:
perhaps that person in the picture is a form of test to us.
-- incorrect.
if it is, then why you are not chosen by Allah in the form of a test-case or guinea pig?

seeking ansers

Tests can come in different shapes and sizes and sometimes relate to more than one person e.g. Person A is going through a divorce with person B. Person C can learn from that test vicariously (i.e learning through other's experience). So in that pic you provided, the woman is most likely going through an ordeal, which is her test. My test could be; appreciate the life you have because there are others like the one pictured who live a less fortunate one.

As the members have stated on this thread; life is essentially one huge test made up of loads of smaller tests.

Nerd · 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

1. Why a child is after birth dead or dead in mothers womb?

There are a number of causes of a stillbirth, such as Rhesus incompatibility, Congenital malformations etc. Its hard to pin-point one exact cause of still births.

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2. why a child is blind by birth?

Its because of their genetic make, you can try reading about Leber Congenital Amaurosis

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3. why a child is perfectly aliright by birth?

Could you define "perfectly aliright" please.

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4. why a child by birth have mental disorder?

There are many causes for mental retardation of a child at birth: known genetic condition such as Downs syndrome, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome etc.

And there is a possibility that babies brain can be damaged due to oxygen deprivation during labor.

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

So why God will make injustice to them?

At the end of the day, God will gather all human beings and reward or punish them according the deeds and sufferings they endured on earth in His path.

But am curious, as to why you said that God would be unjust to Human beings. Were you informed of the change in plans by God?

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Why God will make Discrimination to His best Creatures?

Again curious as to how and when you were informed that God would make something called "discrimination" to His best creature?

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My quesion is What is The Cause of that? I am reapeating What is the Cause of above quesions(1,2,3,4)?

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

anway, pls dont waste time if you dont know.

I won't waste time with someone who continues to mock Islaam.

chinmoy · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

Give me your understanding of injustice
-- very simple!
you are not the person in the picture.
but the woman in the picture is suffering tremendously!

THIS IS THE INJUSTICE!

To the point that, if you want to ask as you do about suffering,
why does God allow to suffer, then KNOW, that
God will reward his servant, the patient ones and believers,
with such a reward that even the most miserable man will claim,
out of his immense reward, that he has not suffered before!
-- incorrect.

is it a game? For example, If You are God and Powerful.
So you put some best creatures to deadly enviroment like ginipig and puting others good enviroment sayings its a test?

IT MEANS YOU AS A GOD DOING WITH YOUR WHIMS!

so you both are not in same position!.

THIS IS THE INJUSTICE GOD HAS DONE TO THIS WOMAN!

AND YOU ARE TRYING TO HIDING IT IN THE CAMOUFLAGE OF TEST/REWARD/PUNINSHMENT.

simple!

chinmoy · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

Rhesus incompatibility etc u mentioned as the cause.
scientists just re-invented the wheel.
the disease was there.

Then who Created It? God!
its simpler!

**Al Habeshi** · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

Give me your understanding of injustice
-- very simple!
you are not the person in the picture.
but the woman in the picture is suffering tremendously!

THIS IS THE INJUSTICE!

That's understanding, injustice = a suffering person. So, out of curiosity, is it injustice to put a murderer to death, i.e. cause him suffering?

You didn't give me a proper statement of what injustice is, all you done was say 'this woman is suffering injustice' well my friend that does not answer what injustice is!

I would also refrain from making assumptions about the state of individuals.

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

To the point that, if you want to ask as you do about suffering,
why does God allow to suffer, then KNOW, that
God will reward his servant, the patient ones and believers,
with such a reward that even the most miserable man will claim,
out of his immense reward, that he has not suffered before!
-- incorrect.

is it a game? For example, If You are God and Powerful.
So you put some best creatures to deadly enviroment like ginipig and puting others good enviroment sayings its a test?

Are you stupid? I have to ask, because, you seem to lack the ability to conversate. What I wrote is not incorrect, just because you do not agree with it does not make it incorrect. I was showing you the understanding of Muslims, i.e. that God will reward those individuals who suffer, and the most misrable of those individuals will say he had no suffering.

You then go on about 'Why does God do this' this is a follow question, this question is asking if what I said about the Muslim understanding is true then why does God do that. It does not render my point of the Muslim understanding incorrect.

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

so you both are not in same position!.

THIS IS THE INJUSTICE GOD HAS DONE TO THIS WOMAN!

AND YOU ARE TRYING TO HIDING IT IN THE CAMOUFLAGE OF TEST/REWARD/PUNINSHMENT.

simple!

See this is where you ignorance shows, you do not know if I have been in the same position as this woman, or if I have been through worse. Instead of asking, you assume, my name is Al Habeshi, meaning one from Habesh, meaning that I come from near Ethopia/Eritrea. It is possible that my family and maybe even me went through starvation, the strife of civil war and many other factors, you do not know my friend!

But this summarirses your position, you hold an attitude that is arrogant and assume a lot.

You wrote that you would like to discuss matters with 'learned person only.' Yet your method of discussion includes, but is not limited to, points which are totally wrong, delusion with regards to your knowledge on the matter and laughing like baboon which is disgusting especially considering the topic of this thread and when seeing the images posted by non other than yourself.

chinmoy · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

That's understanding, injustice = a suffering person. So, out of curiosity, is it injustice to put a murderer to death, i.e. cause him suffering?

You didn't give me a proper statement of what injustice is, all you done was say 'this woman is suffering injustice' well my friend that does not answer what injustice is!

I would also refrain from making assumptions about the state of individuals.

Are you stupid? I have to ask, because, you seem to lack the ability to conversate. What I wrote is not incorrect, just because you do not agree with it does not make it incorrect. I was showing you the understanding of Muslims, i.e. that God will reward those individuals who suffer, and the most misrable of those individuals will say he had no suffering.

You then go on about 'Why does God do this' this is a follow question, this question is asking if what I said about the Muslim understanding is true then why does God do that. It does not render my point of the Muslim understanding incorrect.

See this is where you ignorance shows, you do not know if I have been in the same position as this woman, or if I have been through worse. Instead of asking, you assume, my name is Al Habeshi, meaning one from Habesh, meaning that I come from near Ethopia/Eritrea. It is possible that my family and maybe even me went through starvation, the strife of civil war and many other factors, you do not know my friend!

But this summarirses your position, you hold an attitude that is arrogant and assume a lot.

You wrote that you would like to discuss matters with 'learned person only.' Yet your method of discussion includes, but is not limited to, points which are totally wrong, delusion with regards to your knowledge on the matter and laughing like baboon which is disgusting especially considering the topic of this thread and when seeing the images posted by non other than yourself.

I really like the way you hide your inability!
I hope you will gradually develop mentality to accept defeat!
cheers!

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^ Silly comments as usual *sigh*. Instead of debating you resort to insults. How childish.

**Al Habeshi** · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

I really like the way you hide your inability!
I hope you will gradually develop mentality to accept defeat!
cheers!

You have defeated nothing, you are unable to discuss matters in a civilised way. I have asked you for the meaning of injustice, you have not replied. I have asked if you would define the suffering of an individual due to punishment for their action as injustice, you have not replied. I have asked if you know me, or my family's background to claim that me and the individual in the picture you posted are have not been through similar circumstances, you did not reply.

You have come and asked to speak to a learned individual whilst not even being able to formulate that sentance correctly. Now, I don't claim to know English greatly, but my friend, when you come to a forum which uses English as the main language and ask to speak to a learned person, please try use this template, so as to avoid embarassment;

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Originally Posted by chinmoy

Note: brothers its not possible to argue with everyone here. it will simple (change to simply)
waste time and energy. if its possible to arugue with most accepted person
in this forum then i will argue. otherwise "many man many minds" will hapen
and we will distract naturally from the topic. please let me know if it is possible.

if this is possible then pls let me know then i will discuss (with the/a) learned person only.

Don't worry about spelling mistakes.

The only reason I refrain from banning you is due to the fact that I don't want people to think I would ban someone for personal reasons/revenge or the likes. Also other people seem to have invested their time in talking to you so I'll give them the satisfaction of not seeing their words go to waste.

And God knows best.

Europe · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

I wonder why pork is forbbiden?
I'm looking for some biological explanation not religious one.
If there is ofcourse.

**aamirsaab** · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Europe

I wonder why pork is forbbiden?
I'm looking for some biological explanation not religious one.
If there is ofcourse.

Easy

1) No neck - cannot drain the blood from the animal fully.
2) Cannibals say pork tastes like humans....

crayon · **Re: questions about islam -** 06-16-2008

Here's what they say on islamonline:

"Consumption of pork causes several diseases:

The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases.

A person can have various helminthes, like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which in a layman’s terminology is called tapeworm. It harbors in the intestine and is very long. Its ova, i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack and if it enters the eye it can cause blindness. If it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.

Another dangerous helminthes is Taenia Trichuriasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Taenia tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ovas present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.

Pork has fat building material:

Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack.

The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth:

The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, filth and dirt. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta are cleared by pigs.

Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbor’s excreta. ”

Also, did you know that pork is also prohibited in the bible??
"“…and the swine, as he divideth the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.” (Leviticus chapter 11 verse 7 and 8) "

“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their

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chinmoy Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 31 Reputation: -9 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Jun 2008 Way of Life: Undisclosed	Re: questions about islam - 06-16-2008 Give me your understanding of injustice -- very simple! you are not the person in the picture. but the woman in the picture is suffering tremendously! THIS IS THE INJUSTICE! To the point that, if you want to ask as you do about suffering, why does God allow to suffer, then KNOW, that God will reward his servant, the patient ones and believers, with such a reward that even the most miserable man will claim, out of his immense reward, that he has not suffered before! -- incorrect. is it a game? For example, If You are God and Powerful. So you put some best creatures to deadly enviroment like ginipig and puting others good enviroment sayings its a test? IT MEANS YOU AS A GOD DOING WITH YOUR WHIMS! so you both are not in same position!. THIS IS THE INJUSTICE GOD HAS DONE TO THIS WOMAN! AND YOU ARE TRYING TO HIDING IT IN THE CAMOUFLAGE OF TEST/REWARD/PUNINSHMENT. simple!

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chinmoy Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 31 Reputation: -9 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Jun 2008 Way of Life: Undisclosed	Re: questions about islam - 06-16-2008 Rhesus incompatibility etc u mentioned as the cause. scientists just re-invented the wheel. the disease was there. Then who Created It? God! its simpler!

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------ Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 1 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Way of Life: Undisclosed	Re: questions about islam - 06-16-2008 ^ Silly comments as usual sigh. Instead of debating you resort to insults. How childish.

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Europe Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 8 Reputation: 44 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Nov 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Christian	Re: questions about islam - 06-16-2008 I wonder why pork is forbbiden? I'm looking for some biological explanation not religious one. If there is ofcourse.