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Default Re: questions about islam - 06-16-2008

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1) No neck - cannot drain the blood from the animal fully.
2) Cannibals say pork tastes like humans....
My friend has a friend who's friend is a cannibal. True story.
And yes, this is totally relevant to the topic at hand...
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Default Re: questions about islam - 06-16-2008

The issue of pork has been dealt with here (Haraam food).
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Default Re: questions about islam - 06-17-2008

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Rhesus incompatibility etc u mentioned as the cause.
scientists just re-invented the wheel.
the disease was there.
Then who Created It? God!
its simpler!
We know we get milk from Cows.

If someone asks you: "Why do we get milk from the Cow?"

Our answer should be because of God and write its simpler at the end. Interesting idea.
   
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Default Re: questions about islam - 06-17-2008

why do you all waste your time with this atheist who is not seeking the truth? just look at the way he talks and you will know you are dealing with someone lacking any argumenation skills and manners. i mean this atheist is trying to show everyone how smart he is yet he types things such as:

hahahahahaha! O dear! lol NO ANSWER! I KNOW THAT!


If we have patience and pass it Allaah will reward us with Jannah InshaaAllaah. If we fail and turn away from Allaah,

How a newly born blind baby are subject to pass and fail?
hahahahaha! really i cant control my laughter.

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the atheist also proves himself to be a liar, he firstly said he wants to know some answers to his Q's, yet he admits he is lying when he writes:

I really like the way you hide your inability!
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someone cannot be defeated if you are simply asking for answers to your Q's, someone can be defeated only if you came to argue and debate, which shows you have come here to debate and argue, which shows this atheist is a liar as he first said he just had a Q and wanted an answer.

so why do you all give so much attention to an insignificant atheist who shows he doesnt know how to properly behave in an argument, and who shows himself to be a liar? it is like arguing with Shaytan, it will go no where.

you are arguing with a man who believes that everything around us happened by chance, and that something came from nothing! and then this atheist wants to try and englighten us on his wisdom.

please since you are so smart, i have a Q for you, from where did all of this come from, how did it happen, i want a real logical explainible answer, not the rubbish atheist answer of we dont know, if you dont know then how dare you have the audacity to critisize theists for believing in a God, and then claim were the irrational ones and so on. we have far more evidence than you will ever have, all you have is petty Q's which have been answered, yet you persist in thinking your smart when all you do is inlarge your sins for God to punish you more severly as he said he would.
   
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Default Re: questions about islam - 06-28-2008

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1) No neck - cannot drain the blood from the animal fully.
2) Cannibals say pork tastes like humans....
1) In further steps of cleaning the pig I'm sure that all the blood gets out. At least I unterstood you that when you cut the neck all the blood can't get out. If it doesn't it'll go after.
Well I say that paprika tastes like **** and...
   
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Default Re: questions about islam - 07-17-2008

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1) In further steps of cleaning the pig I'm sure that all the blood gets out. At least I unterstood you that when you cut the neck all the blood can't get out. If it doesn't it'll go after.
Well I say that paprika tastes like **** and...
The ruling on killing animals for food is quite clear actually. I'll give a summarised version of it (I don't have the verse to hand); don't bash the animal to a bloody pulp and don't put the animal through unnecessary torture. The aim is to kill the animal to feed you but you shouldn't be in a state of rage (and thus, become reckless); you want to eat the animal, not rip every organ out.

It's a (metaphorical) battle of three worlds: The aim is to drain all the blood from the animal but in the most efficient yet non-horrific way to the animal and in the most practical manner!
Of course, you could argue that killing animals for food is horrific in and of itself but that's a topic for debate and another time, but we're dealing with swine being haram: since it'd be very impractical for a pig to be blood-ridden, I think that's pork ruled off the menu.
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Default Re: questions about islam - 07-20-2008

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The ruling on killing animals for food is quite clear actually. I'll give a summarised version of it (I don't have the verse to hand); don't bash the animal to a bloody pulp and don't put the animal through unnecessary torture. The aim is to kill the animal to feed you but you shouldn't be in a state of rage (and thus, become reckless); you want to eat the animal, not rip every organ out.

It's a (metaphorical) battle of three worlds: The aim is to drain all the blood from the animal but in the most efficient yet non-horrific way to the animal and in the most practical manner!
Of course, you could argue that killing animals for food is horrific in and of itself but that's a topic for debate and another time, but we're dealing with swine being haram: since it'd be very impractical for a pig to be blood-ridden, I think that's pork ruled off the menu.
As I see, the biggest problem is torturing the pig. I believe, that torture in killing the animal might be less strong than torture in wrong way of its previous life. Bad conditions, awful food, heat... could be much worst for the animal than killing. Cutting pig's neck isn't necessary the only way of killing it. There are special pistols that kill the pig in a momment withot pain. The same way could be used (and is widely used actually) for killing cows and sheeps.
In both way blood doesn't drain out from cow and sheep. What if muslim eat cow that its blood didn't drain very quickly. I'm apologizing for awful english but I might improve it, posting on this forum.
   
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As I see, the biggest problem is torturing the pig. I believe, that torture in killing the animal might be less strong than torture in wrong way of its previous life. Bad conditions, awful food, heat... could be much worst for the animal than killing. Cutting pig's neck isn't necessary the only way of killing it. There are special pistols that kill the pig in a momment withot pain. The same way could be used (and is widely used actually) for killing cows and sheeps.
Shooting an animal with a bullet leaves the bullet and gunpowder in the animal. You then have to get into the animal and clean it - this requires great disregard for the dead animal since you'd be desecrating the corpse. The concept of halal meat is to kill the animal quickly with as least pain as possible, all the while remaining respectful to the animal.

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In both way blood doesn't drain out from cow and sheep. What if muslim eat cow that its blood didn't drain very quickly. I'm apologizing for awful english but I might improve it, posting on this forum.
Firstly, we aren't to drink blood in Islam. Secondly, I do believe you can get diseases by consuming blood. Your english is better than my french, so don't worry too much.
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Shooting an animal with a bullet leaves the bullet and gunpowder in the animal. You then have to get into the animal and clean it - this requires great disregard for the dead animal since you'd be desecrating the corpse. The concept of halal meat is to kill the animal quickly with as least pain as possible, all the while remaining respectful to the animal.


Firstly, we aren't to drink blood in Islam. Secondly, I do believe you can get diseases by consuming blood. Your english is better than my french, so don't worry too much.
I didn't mention anywhere that U consume blood.
Secondly, I believe that cleaning the "indoor" of an animal isn't so humiliating for it than eating it. I believe that throwing it into waste or making them closed all their life is much more humiliating than this blood.
   
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Default Re: questions about islam - 07-20-2008

Europe, to start with the most important thing, Christians, Muslims and Jews MUST not eat the pork. It is forbbiden in the Bible too...I remember debating this with someone ears ago and she showed me the biblical verses where it was forbiden to consume pork.
   
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Its actually a good exercise, I will check it and come back with the Biblical quote.
   
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found it. It is Leviticus chapter 11 from Bible
   
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Europe, to start with the most important thing, Christians, Muslims and Jews MUST not eat the pork. It is forbbiden in the Bible too...I remember debating this with someone ears ago and she showed me the biblical verses where it was forbiden to consume pork.
Most Christians eat pork. The only denomination that I can't think of that prohibits pork are Adventists, but they avoid meat in general.

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I didn't mention anywhere that U consume blood.
I was answering this bit:
What if muslim eat cow that its blood didn't drain very quickly


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Secondly, I believe that cleaning the "indoor" of an animal isn't so humiliating for it than eating it.
Already covered that before. The point is; if you're going to kill the animal for food, do it in the most respectful way possible.

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I believe that throwing it into waste or making them closed all their life is much more humiliating than this blood.
I agree completely, which is why we are to treat animals with respect (even when they are dead!) in Islam.
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