By relate I mean in the word used as opposed to the actual product - most muslims know what wine is seeing as it contains alcohol and what not. Just because we aren't allowed to drink it, doesn't mean we don't know what it is .

I'll have a read up in the translations of those quranic ayats. Maybe a scholars interpretation will yield an answer (they usually contain some sort of historical relevance to the ayats and why they were revealed, etc).

Overall though, I'm fairly certain that the usage of the word 'wine' in the Quran is indeed metaphorical as opposed to say a contradiction or an absolute (infact, I don't even think it is supposed to have any deeper meaning to it other than the name of the drink!)

this plus the fact that the qur'an itself explains that it is different seem to answer the question quite nicely, i think.

Early Arabs used to drink two alcoholic beverages, one made of Ginger considered 'Hot', and one made with camphor, considered cool.. the prohibition of liquor wasn't complete and abrupt in one stage.. as is stated

• in the verse 2:219
• They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit." They ask thee how much they are to spend; say: "What is beyond your needs." Thus doth Allah make clear to you His Signs: in order that ye may consider.

So who says No muslim ever knew what an alcoholic beverage is?

surely heaven has that which no eye has seen nor ears have heard, but Allah swt is giving us assimilations of things we can relate too...

as stated prior, if it is denoted in the Quran that there is a place called 'Tasneem' you'd shrug your shoulder pffft? so what?..
unless it is likened to a 'spring' then you can have some mental image of what it might be, though not fully capturing it..

http://books.google.com/books?id=_1n...um=6&ct=result

hope that helps...

The word use to describe the drink in paradise is "sharab", does that word necessarily mean wine or can it mean any drink? And why is "khamr" used to describe the wine that is prohibited on earth?

Terms like 'mizajoho min tasneem' does denote wine whose very dregs are from the spring (tasneem), or of Musk etc

Most good wines aren't about the alcoholic contents but about the body of flavors that have been aged and linger on the palate.. hence you'd find a description like a sauvignon, is herbaceous with tropical aromas
or a chenin blanc fresh, fragrant with peach aroma medium bodied and fruity..
you can have a look here
http://www.spierrestaurants.co.za/dl/Jonk_wine.pdf

You will not see wine described as chablis ethanol 98%
or cabernet mostly isopropyl ( as illegal as that is) but hope you get the anaology?
because it isn't about the alcohol..
I'd hate to say this, but if you know about wine, then you'll actually get a full appreciation of what it means to have a drink described with dregs in musk or zanjabeel etc.. It is really a very deep description..
and undoubtedly from the mere description there is nothing earthy about it...

Hope that helps, especially the disagreeable ones, who thinks all provincial oafs?!

As-Salamu 'Alaykum

but can't be there different kind of wine, which is not intoxicant?

I'm amazed that the attackers can come up with such silly arguments which have obvious answers and in fact given in the very ayah!

I so agree with you brother!!!!

sometimes it's just soooooooooo hard to bite your tongue!!!

Can i just say that from my understanding heaven and paradise are two different things,
heaven is not where you go to in the hereafter if you have been a true believer its paradise!!!
heaven is the seven heavens that Allah swt mentions in the Qur'an i remember once reading somewhere where it stated that the 7 heavens maybe a reference to 7 galaxies.
i'll try to find you the article InshaAllah.

^arent Heaven and Paradise synonyms?

they are nerd but i am trying to find this article on it whic i read a few years back, InshaAllah when i find it i'll post it then it'll explain but i do not remember much on top of my head so i do not wanna talk mumbo jumbo and give wrong info.


salam

so jannah = firdaus? i never realized that before.
i thought paradise was firdaus and jannah was heaven.
so i learned something - thanks.

I wonder why it's so hard to comprehend that Jannah will be completely different from an imperfect world as such that we are living in! It's kinda silly to think that you go through life through tests and InshaAllah pass and then when you will be rewarded, you expect more rules in the hereafter. Makes me wonder lol....Good grief man.

Well said sis