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Default Alleged Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad? - 06-23-2008

If wine consumption is an abomination, then why are the righteous promised copious amounts of it in the Garden which they are promised in the afterlife?


"O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90). "

Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).

Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).
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Default Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad? - 06-23-2008



This is by no means a contradiction.

The reason why alcohol is not permitted in this world is due it's harmful and evil affects. It causes the person to be robbed of their mental faculties and causes numerous harmful affects on the body, as we all know.

In Jannat however, wine will not have these bad qualities as it does in the dunya. Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta'alaa) mentions:

"..A cup from a gushing spring is brought round for them, White, delicious to the drinkers, Wherein there is no headache nor are they made mad thereby..." (37:45-47)

Maybe someone can further elaborate inshaAllaah.

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The wine in Jannah will be for pleasure only, not to intoxicate the person.


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[يُسْقَوْنَ مِن رَّحِيقٍ مَّخْتُومٍ ]

(They will be given to drink of pure sealed Rahiq.) meaning, they will be given drink from the wine of Paradise. Ar-Rahiq is one of the names of the wine (in Paradise). Ibn Mas`ud, Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah and Ibn Zayd all said this. Ibn Mas`ud said concerning Allah's statement,

[خِتَـمُهُ مِسْكٌ]

(Sealed with musk,) "This means it will be mixed with musk.'' Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, "Allah will make the wine have a pleasant aroma for them, so the last thing that He will place in it will be musk. Thus, it will be sealed with musk.'' Qatadah and Ad-Dahhak both said the same.

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Default Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad? - 06-23-2008

Sarada you could have asked why we are allowed to drink whine in jannah but not in earth but to call this a controdiction is clearly an error.

You yourself have realised that the hereafter and this world have completely different rulings. We will look different, feel different, hear differently, see differently, taste and think possibly differently. Whine WILL be different in the hereafter.

There are many things in this life which is forbidden due to the test of life but permitted in the hereafter. Music/wine etc, silk/gold (for men) extravagance etc many many things.



Please think twice before calling it a controdiction next time, it is very clear that there is NO controdiction
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Default Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad? - 06-23-2008

Your alligations are completely WRONG
like everyone has said above
wine will taste different in Jannat-al Furdos
because it will have no affects to you and if it had no affects on earth wine would be permissible, <---I don't know about THAT Allah knows best but judging by his reasoning it probably would be, but again Allah knows best.
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Default Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad? - 06-23-2008

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You yourself have realised that the hereafter and this world have completely different rulings. We will look different, feel different, hear differently, see differently, taste and think possibly differently. Whine WILL be different in the hereafter.

There are many things in this life which is forbidden due to the test of life but permitted in the hereafter. Music/wine etc, silk/gold (for men) extravagance etc many many things.
Does that mean, in the hereafter there won't be any religion or rulings etc?
The only thing forbidden to Adam and Hawwa was a fruit which grew in a tree in heaven.
   
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Default Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad? - 06-23-2008




In the Hereafter there will be either eternal bliss or eternal punishment.


From what I know, there will be no need for rulings because we will not have rebellious feelings in Paradise [anger hatred, etc] will be removed and we will have pure feelings.


In hell, lol you CANT be rebellious there coz erm...you cant. Lol it's beyond your power what will be happening to you, may Allaah save us Muslims from it, Ameen.
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Does that mean, in the hereafter there won't be any religion or rulings etc?
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Most likely. Given what we are told about paradise, I have concluded that our psychological structure will be different. Firstly, we won't have jealousy nor will we have anger. In fact, as far as I know, there will be no form of negative reinforcement at all - this coupled with the fact that we will be completely content and satiated (we can have anything our heart desires in Paradise - with no negative of any kind in our body, this only leaves the good) means that paradise will actually be blissful.

In simpler terms, the rules we are bound by during our stay on earth will not be present in Heaven.
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If wine consumption is an abomination, then why are the righteous promised copious amounts of it in the Garden which they are promised in the afterlife?


"O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90). "

Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).

Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

Wine, in this world and the heavens - is only similar in name - and no other way or form.
   
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Default Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad? - 06-23-2008

^ ^Adam and Hawwa indeed did commit a sin in Heaven, even if they must have been (as you have assumed there) completely satisfied in heaven.

And they were asked to keep away from a tree, which means we cannot completely rule out the possibility that Humans might have to follow certain rules even within Heaven
   
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Helloooooo!! That was different times!! At that time shaytaan was there...

And heaven and Paradise are 2 different things anyway...
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^ ^Adam and Hawwa indeed did commit a sin in Heaven, even if they must have been (as you have assumed there) completely satisfied in heaven.

And they were asked to keep away from a tree, which means we cannot completely rule out the possibility that Humans might have to follow certain rules even within Heaven
They were tempted by Shaytan who has since been banished to Hell. Also, from my knowledge, adam and hawa were in their human form in heaven. When we, inshallah, go we will be in a different body than the one we were in during our stay on earth. Different body - different psychological make up.
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Helloooooo!! That was different times!! At that time shaytaan was there...

And heaven and Paradise are 2 different things anyway...
I do understand that heaven and paradise are two different places. Thank you for pointing that out.

Like aamirsaab, have mentioned once in heaven maybe human beings will take a different form with a completely different mentality than we have on earth

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Re-read my post

I didnt say Heaven and Hell

I said Paradise and Heaven
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^Sorry sister, it was a typo: its corrected now
   
 

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