Ahadith - Page 2

Eeman · **Re: Ahadith -** 06-26-2008

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Originally Posted by snakelegs

do you believe rashid khalifa was a prophet?

Yeah i do and i am saba (the queen of sheba)

(its a joke please do not take offence)

**Abu Sayyad** · 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Eeman

Ok fine now let me do just that of what you accused me of earlier on about copying and pasting cos i think you should have a read at this article which is from the people of rashid khalifa who go as to arguing the same point as you are about how the qur'an has been guarded and preserved. Ok LOL! article is too long so if you ever have time InshaAllah go and have a read
with that point i cannot disagree.

I am sorry, but you lost me. I thought we agreed that the Qur'an is preserved?

Please do not dodge my question. Are you aware that this Rashad Khalifa is the source of this hadeeth-rejection from who you are taking your arguments from? I find it amazing that on one side you are saying that you don't believe and follow him, yet your arguments have their roots in his ideology?!

Please bear in mind that you will not be allowed to post articles from their sites, especially these inauthentic ones. You will have to articulate your arguments yourself.

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But saying that it just makes you think If Allah swt has said and mentioned in the Qur'an that He's message is guarded and preserved then where can you make the assumption that the hadith and sunnah of the prophet (saw) has been guarded and preserved by the Almighty too?

How can you make the assumption that they be not preserved, when the methodology of both preservations is the same? To be consistent in this argument, the hadeeth rejector would have to reject the Qur'an BY DEFAULT because his core argument is that the Ahadeeth are not preserved. However, as I have proven in my last post, the Qur'an and hadeeth were preserved in exactly the same manner. You yourself iterated the misconception rampant amongst hadeeth rejectors earlier when you said "but how can people believe in sayings or ways of how the prophet saw lived from sources that came about 300 - 400 years AFTER his death?"

I hope you took the time to read the link I left you.

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you can make the argument very clear about the Qur'an and you can give Qur'anic reference to it but where does it say in the Quran that the hadith and sunnah of the prophet (saw) is being guarded and preserved to? it just seems to me that you are making assumptions there.

I dislike to repeat myself in discussions. I said earlier:

It is complete. It is a Book of Guidance. It is not a book that details for the Muslims how to apply the laws and commandments it sets out within it. It gives this command to the Messenger explicitly in many places in the Qur'an.

16:44 And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear [LI TUBAYYINA] to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

The Qur'an does not contain these quotes etc of when the Messenger made "clear" to the people what has been revealed to them, i.e. the Qur'an. Therefore, by default these have to be somewhere else and they have to preserved because they are the explanations of the Qur'an and part of the reason why the Messenger was sent.

Now, please respond back to each of my arguments and points collectively, in their context, without picking through them to respond to a single point here and there. Jazakillah Khayr.

**Woodrow** · **Re: Ahadith -** 06-26-2008

This thread has gone a bit too far in the direction of being a discussion beyond the abilities of any of us here.

Rather then running the risk of misinformation being promoted or material being copied and pasted and presentend as personal opinions it is best to stop the discussion here and advice members to seek the advice of scholars, not rely upon forums.

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Woodrow Abdullah Muhammad Status: Offline Posts: 11,206 Reputation: 58244 Rep Power: 99 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Minnesota Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Ahadith - 06-26-2008 This thread has gone a bit too far in the direction of being a discussion beyond the abilities of any of us here. Rather then running the risk of misinformation being promoted or material being copied and pasted and presentend as personal opinions it is best to stop the discussion here and advice members to seek the advice of scholars, not rely upon forums. : __________________