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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 138 Reputation: 567 Rep Power: 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: United States Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | Hello I haven't been around much but I'm still very interested in Islam. I am concerned about that verse. I have heard that the "fighting" need not be physical. Is that the only explination? |
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| LI Legend. Status: Offline Posts: 3,189 Reputation: 16655 Rep Power: 46 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Leicester Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I'll have an answer up for this fairly soon. LI user page another new article My website Quote:
''If you only have love for your own race. You only leave space to discriminate. When you discriminate, it only generates hate. And when ya hate, ya bound to get irate'' | |
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| RelyingOnlyOnAllaah~ Status: Offline Posts: 12,755 Reputation: 39017 Rep Power: 76 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Jus restin..as a traveller..in the shade of a tree..until I reach my destination = Jannah (Ameen)... Way of Life: Muslim | |
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| LI Legend. Status: Offline Posts: 3,189 Reputation: 16655 Rep Power: 46 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Leicester Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | My arabic isn't that good, but from what I know Qital means fighting. Surah 9 verse 29 begins with the word Qutilal. The translation reads: fight those. In which case, in verse 29 fighting relates to physical fighting. However the importance lies in who this is aimed at and what the relevance of this ayat is. Now one of the scholar's notes states that the reason to fight is to put an end to the suzeranity of the unbelievers. Basically, what this ayat is trying to say is: you have two options: a system based on ignorance and a system based on the divine law. In this particular occasion, a muslim should fight for the system on divine law (aka Islamic law). However, the context relates to the time of the pagans (as shown in the tafsir link serene has provided). In other words, that ayat is for a specific time and place. LI user page another new article My website Quote:
''If you only have love for your own race. You only leave space to discriminate. When you discriminate, it only generates hate. And when ya hate, ya bound to get irate'' | |
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 138 Reputation: 567 Rep Power: 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: United States Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | Quote:
So it is only in refrence to fighting the Roman Empire? | |
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 365 Reputation: 1491 Rep Power: 8 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | This verse deals with the Jihad and it is only permitted to fight those who fight you. The verse below shows that you should fight when it is time to fight. BUT do not transgress the limits. wa laa ta'tadoo.
__________________Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. (2:190) |
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| LI Legend. Status: Offline Posts: 3,189 Reputation: 16655 Rep Power: 46 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Leicester Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Pretty much. It's not for every muslim to carry out - only to those it was revealed to initially. What we can take from the ayat is the principle; divine law is better that the other laws. But that's really as far as that ayat is relevant to the muslims of today (in terms of what we have to take from it) - the rest is important but not relevant to what muslims are to follow.
__________________Alternatively, just use the tafsir link. LI user page another new article My website Quote:
''If you only have love for your own race. You only leave space to discriminate. When you discriminate, it only generates hate. And when ya hate, ya bound to get irate'' | |
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| LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 3,449 Reputation: 14842 Rep Power: 44 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Warrington, England Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | A detailed answer can be found here.
__________________Shall I inform you of the best morals of this world and the hereafter? They are to forgive he who oppresses you, to make a bond with he who severs from you, to be kind to he who insults you, and to give to he who deprives you. ~ Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) |
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| LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 4,874 Reputation: 7040 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oklahoma, USA Gender: Way of Life: Christian | From my knowledge I can't think of any Muslim country that was in military conflict with any part of the shattered Roman Empire except for the Turks and Byzantines. Which is what we are talking about here, not the true Roman Empire.
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| Conqueror Status: Offline Posts: 3,208 Reputation: 12272 Rep Power: 33 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Airstrip One Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
The word 'Byzantine' is a modern invention, they never called themselves that, they were known as Romans to the people of the time. When Islamic sources talk about Romans, the usually mean Byzantines, rather than the western Empire, which was defunct long before Islam. | |
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 138 Reputation: 567 Rep Power: 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: United States Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | |
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 365 Reputation: 1491 Rep Power: 8 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | When Ameer ul Mu'mineen declares a Jihad, then it is permissible to fight. You should fight those who fight you. But if they seize then you should seize fighting as well. If they ask for terms we should accept.
__________________"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors." (2:190) |
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