Tayaba

We do say as-salaamu alayka ayuhan nabi in our salah which cariies the same meaning its just that yaa is omitted most of the time when there is a "al" (al marifu bilaami) in the munaada. When i said that it is shirk to call upon the Prophet like you would Allah, i meant in terms of asking for help, health, children and wealth asonly Allah can decide and bestow these things.
The way Sami Yusuf is using yaaa is an expression of love, he is not calling for help. wasalams.

okay 1st and foremost no hadiths to back me up whatsoever, short of time.....

This duniya, this temporary duniya....why was it created? If there was no beloved Prophet there'd be no duniya, it was created for him....just as everything was created from the Nur of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, the nur which was given to him by Allah subhanawata'ala. Why was this done?

Allah swt could just as easily have created everything directly from his own nur....Muhammad pbuh was and is the best of his creations...

If it wasn't for him, there would be no duniya, if it wasn't for him just imagine how much worse off we would be.....

So to have everything created from the nur of Muhammad pbuh which was a portion given by Allah swt to me means that something must have been created, a soul.
So in that essence the soul of Muhammad pbuh was created before anything, and the physical body was to be known to us as the last Prophet....
Allahualim
fiamanAllah

ps. some parts were heard in lectures/khutba's hence quoting may not be entirely correct...

Yea i figured so. Jazak Allah for confirming, i just needed to make sure.

1. Believing that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is not like the rest of humanity, and that he is light from the Light of Allaah Himself is not a correct belief, because it contradicts the Qur’aan. Allaah has stated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is human, and has explained what makes the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) different from the rest of mankind. He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘I am only a man like you. It has been inspired to me that your God is One God (Allaah). So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord.” [al-Kahf 18:110]

Mankind, human beings, are created, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him He created his wife (Hawwa/Eve), and from them both He created many men and women…” [al-Nisaa’ 4:1]

“O mankind, if you are in doubt about the Resurrection, then verily! We have created you from dust, then from a nutfah (mixed drops of male and female sexual discharge)…” [al-Hajj 22:5]

“O Prophet! Verily, We have sent you as witness, and a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner, - and as one who invites to Allaah by His leave, and as a lamp spreading light.” [al-Ahzaab 33:45-46]

In contrast, Allaah is the First, and He has no beginning, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him), and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him). And He is the All-Knower of every thing.” [al-Hadeed 57:3]

Allaah called His Prophet “light” and a “lamp spreading light” because of the guidance and light with which Allaah sent him, with which Allaah guides all those who answer his call (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… Indeed, there has come to you a light (Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) and a plain Book (this Qur’aan).” [al-Maa’idah 5:15]

2. Saying that he is present and watching in every place, that he is himself present at every gathering to celebrate his birthday, and that he hears what the people present are saying, is all false. There is no basis for this in either the Qur’aan or the Sunnah.

3. Calling on him and seeking his help and support is a form of major shirk which is not permitted, whether one is calling on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or on any other created being, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… so invoke not anyone along with Allaah.”[al-Jinn 72:18]

“And whoever invokes (or worships) besides Allaah, any other god of whom he has no proof, then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely! Al-kaafiroon (the disbelievers) will not be successful.” [al-Mu’minoon 23:117]

(Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 3/4)

The Muslim should follow, not innovate. He should believe in Allaah alone, call on Him alone and seek His help alone. He should not call on or seek the help of anyone else. The consequences of shirk are devastating, as it will wipe out all a person’s good deeds and lead to his doom in Hell. Bid’ah is a serious matter, which will cause a person’s deeds to be thrown back at him, not accepted. The Muslim should love, respect, honour and obey the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and give his words precedence over the words of any other human being, but it is not permitted to exaggerate about him, or to raise his status above that which has been bestowed upon him by Allaah, or to call on him instead of Allaah, because this is a violation of the rights of Allaah, and involves directing acts of worship to someone other than Allaah, when they should only be directed towards Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted. We ask Allaah to help us to do that which will please Him and to avoid that which will earn His wrath, and to help us to love Him and His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad. And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=1196&ln=eng

Where is the evidence for this?

Sounds abit like cultural stuff to me ;)

Like the Hadeeth that says the World was Created for Muhammad, peace be upon him.

Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) cousin of the holy prophet (Allah's Grace and Peace be upon Him) says in the commentary of the verse 35 from chapter 24: Sura Noor. "The similitude of the Noor (Light) of Allah is Noor (light) of the Holy Prophet (Allah's Grace and Peace be upon Him), when he was in the backs of ancestors". (Tafseer-e-Ibne Abbas)


And the business of 'light'

"O people of the Scripture! Now has Our Messenger come unto you, expounding unto you much of that which you used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. Now has come unto you Light from Allah and a plain scripture whereby Allah guides him who seeks His good pleasure unto paths of peace. He brings them out of darkness unto light by His decree, and guides them unto a straight path." 5:15-16


"Then those who believe in him (Muhammad), and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him, they are the Successful. 7:157

I don't know if im missing something, but to me from the above, the Prophet is being reffered to as the 'light'....

Salaam

Indeed the Prophet saaws is a light from Allah but how is that to be understood is the dispute.

The evidence is clear considering the following facts:

Evidence from the Qur’aan:


قَدْ جَاءَكُمْ مِنْ اللَّه نُور وَكِتَاب مُبِين

There has come you from Allah a Light, and a Manifest Book" (Quran 5:15).

Ibn Abbas, the cousin of the Prophet and the most learned in the field of tafaseer says:

رسول يعني محمداً

A messenger meaning Muhammad peace be upon him (Tanweer ul Miqbaas)

See for yourself here: http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?...&UserProfile=0


Imam Suyuti says about the نُور :


هُوَ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ


"It is the Prophet peace be upon him" (Tafsir al Jalalayn)


see with your own eyes at http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/Di...EEN&tashkeel=0)


at-Tabari says

يَعْنِي بِالنُّورِ مُحَمَّد صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ

He means by the Light: Muhammad peace be upon him (Tafsir Tabari jami` al-bayan)



See for yourself by visiting this site http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/Di...ARY&tashkeel=0


Furthermore Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan confirms Prophet Muhammad is the light referred to in Surah.5:15 and this is a Salafi Dar us Salam publication!

How are we to understand this?

If we were to look in the Qur’aan at ayah 4:171 we will find that Isa عليه السلام is a spirit from Allah (wa Ruhun minhu) so would it be wrong? shirk? Bidah? kufr? to say that the Holy Prophet صلي اللّه عليه وسلم
is nurun minhu? a light from Allah? According to Dr Muhammad Muhsin Khan the answer is no. Dr Muhsin Khan in his footnote to Surah 4:171 explains:

(The Noble Qur’an, translated by Muhammad Muhsin Khan, footnote to surah 4: verse 171, Dar us Salam publications)

Therefore, on the strength of the evidence, one simply has to conclude that Muhammad peace be upon him a light from Allah. Howver Muhammad saaws was not made from Allahs personal light because that would be saying that Muhammad is a part of Allah.

And also i am checking surah noor in Ibn Abbas right now and i will get back to you about it.

Actually Ibn Abbas says in regards to "the simlitude of His light":

نور المؤمنين ويقال مثل نور الله في قلب المؤمن

The light of faith and saying the likeness of the light of Allah is in a heart of a believer(punch me if i translated it wrong i am not a scholar).

you can see for yourself here http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?...&UserProfile=0

Regarding Allaah's mentioning of "light", the Q&A which I posted above already mentioned that:

As for the verse in Soorah Noor, I checked Tafseer Ibn Katheer, but I did not find such a view stated by Ibn Abbas and instead I found this:

(The parable of His Light) There are two views concerning the meaning of the pronoun (His). The first is that it refers to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, meaning that the parable of His guidance in the heart of the believer is

[كَمِشْكَاةٍ]

(as a niche) This was the view of Ibn `Abbas. The second view is that the pronoun refers to the believer, which is indicated by the context of the words and implies that the parable of the light in the heart of the believer is as a niche. So the heart of the believer and what he is naturally inclined to of guidance and what he learns of the Qur'an which is in accordance with his natural inclinations are, as Allah says:

[أَفَمَن كَانَ عَلَى بَيِّنَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّهِ وَيَتْلُوهُ شَاهِدٌ مِّنْهُ]

(Can they who rely on a clear proof from their Lord, and whom a witness from Him recites it (can they be equal with the disbelievers)) [11:17].

From: http://www.theholybook.org/en/a.47288.html

I dont think your asking me, then maybe yet again you are.
I believe hes the premordial Prophet not due to the evidence you presented but when the Prophets made a pact with Allah to support Muhammad saaws whilst the Prophets was still just a ruh. Plus theres the hadith on the subject about the Prophet saaws existing whilst Adam was still being fashioned in the clay. The evidence you presented can be argued against due to the fact that many Prophets say in the Qur'aan that they were the first Muslim, i.e, the first to submit from amongst their people. But i know where you are coming from. wasalams

Reflecting on both of the following:
and



Now, I am aware that as a Christian I do not know all that I should know or understand about the Prophet (peace be upon him). So I truly mean no disrespect to him nor to Islam in any of my following comments.

As you write, you recognize the humanness of Muhammad (pbuh). So that is his nature. His nature is human nature the same as any other human. Aren't all prophets ordinary human beings, for there is no such thing as an unordinary human being? But of course he was special. For though the Prophet (pbuh) would have been an ordinary human being, he was blessed by Allah (swt) in extra-ordinary ways. However, he was special because not because of his own nature, but because of his submission to Allah. By his submission we have Allah's nature revealed to us.

You say: But Allah ha