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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-24-2006

The Quraanic verse it has connection with is Sahih:

And remember when Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets, saying, ‘Take what I have given you of the Book and the Wisdom and afterwards there will come to you a messenger confirming what is with you; you must them believe in him and help him.’ Allah said, ‘Do you affirm and take up the covenant?’ They said, ‘We affirm.’ He said, ‘Then bear witness, for I am with you amongst those who have bore witness.’ Surah Aali `Imraan 3:81

If we look to the view of scholars such as Imaams Ibn al-Jawzi (his book al-Wafaa'), Qaadi `Iyaad (ash-Shifaa, Ch. 1, p. 48) Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali (Lataa'if al-Ma`aarif, pp. 158-162), Ibn Taymiyyah (Majmu` al-Fataawa, V. 1, pp. 95-97), Ibn ul-Qayyim (Badaa`i ul-Fawaa'id, p. 63) we will see that they believe Muhammad saaws was the first Prophet created and the last Prophet sent.

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I got this from Tafsir of ibn Khatir: http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=3&tid=8624

Taking a Pledge From the Prophets to Believe in Our Prophet, Muhammad


Allah states that He took a pledge from every Prophet whom He sent from Adam until `Isa, that when Allah gives them the Book and the Hikmah, thus acquiring whatever high grades they deserve, then a Messenger came afterwards, they would believe in and support him. Even though Allah has given the Prophets the knowledge and the prophethood, this fact should not make them refrain from following and supporting the Prophet who comes after them. This is why Allah, the Most High, Most Honored, said


[وَإِذْ أَخَذَ اللَّهُ مِيثَـقَ النَّبِيِّيْنَ لَمَآ ءَاتَيْتُكُم مِّن كِتَـبٍ وَحِكْمَةٍ]


(And (remember) when Allah took the covenant of the Prophets, saying: "Take whatever I gave you from the Book and Hikmah.'') meaning, if I give you the Book and the Hikmah,


[ثُمَّ جَآءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ مُّصَدِّقٌ لِّمَا مَعَكُمْ لَتُؤْمِنُنَّ بِهِ وَلَتَنصُرُنَّهُ قَالَ ءَأَقْرَرْتُمْ وَأَخَذْتُمْ عَلَى ذلِكُمْ إِصْرِى]


("and afterwards there will come to you a Messenger confirming what is with you; you must, then, believe in him and help him.'' Allah said, "Do you agree (to it) and will you take up Isri'')


Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Ar-Rabi`, Qatadah and As-Suddi said that `Isri' means, "My covenant.'' Muhammad bin Ishaq said that,


[إِصْرِى]


(Isri) means, "The responsibility of My covenant that you took,'' meaning, the ratified pledge that you gave Me.


[قَالُواْ أَقْرَرْنَا قَالَ فَاشْهَدُواْ وَأَنَاْ مَعَكُمْ مِّنَ الشَّـهِدِينَفَمَنْ تَوَلَّى بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ]


(They said: "We agree.'' He said: "Then bear witness; and I am with you among the witnesses.'' then whoever turns away after this,'') from fulfilling this pledge and covenant, c


[فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْفَـسِقُونَ]


(they are the rebellious.) `Ali bin Abi Talib and his cousin `Abdullah bin `Abbas said, "Allah never sent a Prophet but after taking his pledge that if Muhammad were sent in his lifetime, he would believe in and support him.'' Allah commanded each Prophet to take a pledge from his nation that if Muhammad were sent in their time, they would believe in and support him. Tawus, Al-Hasan Al-Basri and Qatadah said, "Allah took the pledge from the Prophets that they would believe in each other'', and this statement does not contradict what `Ali and Ibn `Abbas stated.


Therefore, Muhammad is the Final Prophet until the Day of Resurrection. He is the greatest Imam, who if he existed in any time period, deserves to be obeyed, rather than all other Prophets. This is why Muhammad led the Prophets in prayer during the night of Isra' when they gathered in Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem). He is the intercessor on the Day of Gathering, when the Lord comes to judge between His servants. This is Al-Maqam Al-Mahmud (the praised station) [refer to 17:79] that only Muhammad deserves, a responsibility which the mighty Prophets and Messengers will decline to assume. However, Muhammad will carry the task of intercession, may Allah's peace and blessings be on him.


[أَفَغَيْرَ دِينِ اللَّهِ يَبْغُونَ وَلَهُ أَسْلَمَ مَن فِى السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ طَوْعًا وَكَرْهًا وَإِلَيْهِ يُرْجَعُونَ - قُلْ ءَامَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْنَا وَمَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَى إِبْرَهِيمَ وَإِسْمَـعِيلَ وَإِسْحَـقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالاٌّسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِىَ مُوسَى وَعِيسَى وَالنَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ - وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلَـمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِى الاٌّخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَـسِرِينَ ]


(83. Do they seek other than the religion of Allah, while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall they all be returned.) (84. Say: "We believe in Allah and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Ibrahim, Isma`il, Ishaq, Ya`qub and Al-Asbat, and what was given to Musa, `Isa and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between one another among them and to Him (Allah) we have submitted.'') (85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.)
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What do you mean and more over what do you know and how do you know?
Is the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] a Prophet only for those people who lived during his life and those people to come untill the day of Judgement or is The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] a Prophet sent to all Mankind, there is A hadith in Sahih Muslim "Ursil thu ilal khalqi Kaafa" and the many Quran Ayahs that say the Prophet was sent for all Mankind.

So if he was sent to All Mankind, meaning All Humans and All Jinns then that also means he is the Prophet of All Mankind including the other prophets.

Now you said you agreed that Muhammad [Peace be upon him] was the first to surrender to Allah out of his Ummah, what I am saying is that All the Prophets are from the Ummah of the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] thus he surrendered to Allah's will before any of them!

Thus he was created before them!

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I think it would be less tedious if i just agreed with you ...

anyways i am heading down manchester next week. Whats that bookshop in Bolton that Qais buys his books from? can you give me directions from Ashton? and tell me where exactly this book shop is?
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Do u want me to pass that message on to brother Qais..??

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Salam i got the adress its 119 halliway road out in Bolton, ufortuntly they do not have what i want yet ... so may be a delay ...thanks though ... wasalams
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Salam, the address is a book shop, so dont be going there thinking youre knocking on my door lol! (not directed at Sum Muslim Gal)
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hahah..very funny lol...

its pretty funny coz theres a massive box just besides me with books in outside the box says bolton - with the address u given above lol..could have easily given that..duuh!!

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Is the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] a Prophet only for those people who lived during his life and those people to come untill the day of Judgement or is The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] a Prophet sent to all Mankind, there is A hadith in Sahih Muslim "Ursil thu ilal khalqi Kaafa" and the many Quran Ayahs that say the Prophet was sent for all Mankind.

So if he was sent to All Mankind, meaning All Humans and All Jinns then that also means he is the Prophet of All Mankind including the other prophets.

Now you said you agreed that Muhammad [Peace be upon him] was the first to surrender to Allah out of his Ummah, what I am saying is that All the Prophets are from the Ummah of the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] thus he surrendered to Allah's will before any of them!

Thus he was created before them!

[I can give the full refs of the Ayahs and Hadith that state the Prophet was sent to All Mankind]

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YUSUFALI: It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).


Does that mean the Gospel and Torah are for those before it was revealed and us now?

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Simple Question tell me if there is a difference between Mankind and All Mankind?

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا كَافَّةً لِّلنَّاسِ بَشِيرًا وَنَذِيرًا وَلَكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ (34:28)


And O beloved! We sent not you but with Messenger ship encircling entire mankind, as a bearer of glad tidings and a Warner, but most of the people do not know. [Kanzul-Iman 34:28]

NOW [as for thee, O Muhammad,] We have not sent thee otherwise than to mankind at large, to be a herald of glad tidings and a Warner; but most people do not understand [this] [M Asad 34:28]

We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not. [Yusuf Ali 34:28]

And We have not sent thee (O Muhammad) save as a bringer of good tidings and a Warner unto all mankind; but most of mankind know not. [Picktall 34:28]



قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ جَمِيعًا(7:158)

Say you, 'O mankind'; I am Messenger to you all from Allah [Kanzul-Iman 7:158]

Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah [Yusuf Ali 7:158]

Say [O Muhammad]: "O mankind! Verily, I am an apostle of God to all of you, [M Asad 7:158]

Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all [Picktall 7:158]

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we are dealing with ism jinns - denoting the whole genus right?
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وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا كَافَّةً لِّلنَّاسِ بَشِيرًا وَنَذِيرًا وَلَكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ (34:28)


And O beloved! We sent not you but with Messenger ship encircling entire mankind, as a bearer of glad tidings and a Warner, but most of the people do not know. [Kanzul-Iman 34:28]

NOW [as for thee, O Muhammad,] We have not sent thee otherwise than to mankind at large, to be a herald of glad tidings and a Warner; but most people do not understand [this] [M Asad 34:28]

We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not. [Yusuf Ali 34:28]

And We have not sent thee (O Muhammad) save as a bringer of good tidings and a Warner unto all mankind; but most of mankind know not. [Picktall 34:28]



قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ جَمِيعًا(7:158)

Say you, 'O mankind'; I am Messenger to you all from Allah [Kanzul-Iman 7:158]

Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah [Yusuf Ali 7:158]

Say [O Muhammad]: "O mankind! Verily, I am an apostle of God to all of you, [M Asad 7:158]

Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all [Picktall 7:158]
Assalamu Aleykum Brother.

I will ask you to read tafsir focous on the special 5 things Muhammad was given.

Also, I will ask, did the people before Muhammad then have to believe in Him? Like normal people? Was Their Kalimah was La Ilaha Ill Allah Musa RasulAllah wa Muhammad RasulAllah?

Maybe our conversation can carry on from there.

And yes there is a difference between mankind and all mankind.
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The Kalimah has always been suffixed with Muhammad ur Rasoolullah, The Prophets all took a covenant to believe in him and help him, in which they did! Muhammad peace be upon him was the first prophet created and the last prophet sent. All the prophets had knowledge of the final prophet and that is demonstrated in the Qur'aan. They spoke to their people only what they could understand, therefore they left the more complicated matters for the last and final Prophet, that is somewhat demonstrated in the Bible where Jesus says that the spirit of truth shall guide you into all things. wasalams
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