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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 12-04-2006

If you read the previous posts carefully, you will see Hazir Nazir has been discussed.
   
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 12-04-2006

Has it?

Man this thread is getting complicated where like discussing so many different Issues at the same time!

The Issues are:

1) The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] is sent to All Mankind, can this be regarded as meaning past, present and Future?

2) Asking the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] to supplicate for us, which we shouldnt discuss in this thread as a brother has pointed out we have a complete thread on this.

3) and now Hazir wa Nazir, which i dont think is relevent to what we have been discussing.
   
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Salaam,

Forgive me brother, but i'm only replying to an earlier post in this thread. If you actually see the brother who started this thread wanted to know about "YA Muhammad (saw)", Isn't that Hazir Nazir?.

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Salaam,

Forgive me brother, but i'm only replying to an earlier post in this thread. If you actually see the brother who started this thread wanted to know about "YA Muhammad (saw)", Isn't that Hazir Nazir?.
lol my mistake!

Ok I just would to know how you define the term Hazir and Nazir when it is applied to the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him]?

And does saying Ya Muhammad on its own wih out looking into the belief when saying this statement apply these attributes to the Prophet [Peace be upon him]?
   
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 12-04-2006

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lol my mistake!

Ok I just would to know how you define the term Hazir and Nazir when it is applied to the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him]?

And does saying Ya Muhammad on its own wih out looking into the belief when saying this statement apply these attributes to the Prophet [Peace be upon him]?

The statement ‘Yaa Rasoolullah’ consists of two grammatical components. The first is the word ‘Yaa’ which is known as ‘Harf Nidaa’ (vocative particle). The second is the word Rasoolullah which will be considered as the ‘Munaada’ (the person being called). Arabic grammarians state that ‘Yaa’ is a particle which comes in place of the word ‘Unaadi’ which means ‘I am calling’ (Lisaanul Arab pg.506). Thus, the sentence ‘Yaa Rasoolullah’ would be translated as ‘I am calling you, Oh Prophet of Allah.’ It can be translated ‘Oh Rasoolullah’.

‘Yaa’ is one of the eight different vocative particles of the Arabic language. Some of these particles are used solely for the purpose of calling unto someone who is far away whilst other particles are solely used for the purpose of calling those who are close by. However, the particle ‘Yaa’ can be used for both far and close. (Jaamin Durood Arabin vol.2 pg.106). Hence, grammatically, it would be correct to say ‘Yaa Rasoolullah’ when Nabi [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] is called upon whether close by or far away from the person calling unto him. However, this is permissible in regards to Arabic grammar only.

There is also the aspect of Aqaaid (ideology) that has to be considered as well. It is the belief of the Ahlus sunnah Wal Jamaa that Allah Ta’ala is One. He has no partner or equal and nothing resembles Him from His creation. (Aqeeda Tahawiy). Allah Ta’ala is Samee (the All-Hearing). Thus, nothing can resemble Allah Ta’ala in this attribute of being All-Hearing. Allah Ta’ala is also ‘Alaa kulli shay-in qadeer’ (able to do anything He please). Thus, if He wishes to allow someone to hear something, then he can permit it even though outwardly it might seem physically impossible. Bearing the above in mind, thus, it could be said that to say ‘Yaa Rasoolullah’ whilst being close to him, as in the case of visiting his blessed grave would be correct both grammatically and ideologically. Hence, the recommended Durood (salutation) which visiting is ‘Assalaamu alayka yaa Rasoolullah’. This is due to the fact that the belief of the Ahlus Sunnah is that Nabi [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] is alive in his blessed grave and as the authentic Ahaadith mention that angels present salutation of the Ummah to Rasoolullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam].

On the contrary, if a person says ‘Yaa Rasoolullah’ whilst being far away from him then although grammatically it would be correct, but if the person believes that Rasoolullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] can hear him due to him being All-Hearing or Haazir (omnipresent) or Naazir (All-Seeing) then such a statement and belief would be Kufr. This is due to the person attributing the sole qualities of Allah Ta’ala to His creation which is Shirk (polytheism).
   
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 12-04-2006

So what is your [Ironbeard] view on sending Salam from afar by the words 'Assalathu Wassalamu Alaika Ya Rasoolullah" with the Aqeedah that the Salam will be presented to the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him]?
   
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The brothers seem to all agree that our Prophet saws was sent as a Mercy to the entire creation. No need to argue any further.
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So what is your [Ironbeard] view on sending Salam from afar by the words 'Assalathu Wassalamu Alaika Ya Rasoolullah" with the Aqeedah that the Salam will be presented to the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him]?
As we learn from Ahadith, when we send salam on our Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (s.a.w), the angels deliver our salaam to him and he replies to our salaam. He cannot hear or see us anywhere in the world, thats a sole quality of Allah almighty.

About Assalatu wassalamu Alaika Ya rasoolillah, it depends on the reciters intention, if he recites it with the intention that Prophet (s.a.w) can hear him and see him there and then, thats wrong and against what Allah teaches us. If out of love one says "Ya Rasoolullah" then that is different".

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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 12-07-2006

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1) The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] is sent to All Mankind, can this be regarded as meaning past, present and Future?[/quote]

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The brothers seem to all agree that our Prophet saws was sent as a Mercy to the entire creation. No need to argue any further.
I will not say All brother's agree with the statement, because all brother's don't understand what you mean by sent to allmankind past, present & future.

This statement is an over-simplication and therefore misleading or at least confusing.
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 12-07-2006

there is a Qur'aan ayah in the 7th or 9th surah , mercy to the worlds , universe , or howver you want to translate it. I would advice consulting the tafaaseer before bashing me upsides the head with what you havent researched yet
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there is a Qur'aan ayah in the 7th or 9th surah , mercy to the worlds , universe , or howver you want to translate it. I would advice consulting the tafaaseer before bashing me upsides the head with what you havent researched yet
Assalamu alaikum

I am not bashing you bro, I just get confused the way some word's are use in a sentence.

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o.k no worries. - but study into the tafaaseer insha'Allah
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 12-08-2006

I think it has already been understood how this 'All Creation' 'All Mankind' is meanto be understood.

I still await answers for some stuff brought up but until then Alhamdulilah.

Assalamu Aleykum Wa Rhametulahi Wa Bereaktu guys.
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