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Default Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 10-17-2006

As Muslims were suppose to believe that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the final messenger of Allah. We should believe the message he delivered through God (the Quran( as well as his teachings (the sunnah, his examples).
We should try to follow him as closely as possible.

Also the prophet (pbuh) was a human being who recived divine inspiration from God.

So why are people telling me im wrong and that i shouldnt believe that he (pbuh) was a person like you and me? They believe he (pbuh) is not human but a special being and that he is alive in his (pbuh) grave and that he can hear and see every one of us, and that he listens to and accept our duas when we say 'ya muhammad'-ASTAGFIRULLAH ASTAGFIRULLAH ASTAGFIRULLAH.

What kind of shirk is this? The prophet (pbuh) is not God.

Theres no mway im going to that mosque again!!!!1
   
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-13-2006

Those who call out and say "ya muhammad" and make dua to him, have no knowledge of the deen whatsoever!, To call out and say this you are contradicting they verse you recite in your salah every day
"You ALONE we worship, and YOU ALONE WE SEEK HELP" (surah al-fatihah)
This is a clear contradcition, andby saying this you are inducng shirk, and you become a kaafir.

Brother i think that masjid you attended is a brawelli mosque.
   
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-13-2006


hey man dont generelaise akhi, you say it's the brailwi community that say this sort of stuff, just to break the icing it's not all....
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-13-2006

brawellis.....why do they do this sort of stuff? what evidences do they produce to back up there grave worshipping??? Does anyone know??
   
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-13-2006

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As Muslims were suppose to believe that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the final messenger of Allah. We should believe the message he delivered through God (the Quran( as well as his teachings (the sunnah, his examples).
We should try to follow him as closely as possible.

Also the prophet (pbuh) was a human being who recived divine inspiration from God.

So why are people telling me im wrong and that i shouldnt believe that he (pbuh) was a person like you and me? They believe he (pbuh) is not human but a special being and that he is alive in his (pbuh) grave and that he can hear and see every one of us, and that he listens to and accept our duas when we say 'ya muhammad'-ASTAGFIRULLAH ASTAGFIRULLAH ASTAGFIRULLAH.

What kind of shirk is this? The prophet (pbuh) is not God.

Theres no mway im going to that mosque again!!!!1
I have read that it has been narrrated that if someone sends their salam to Prophet muhammad, that he peace be upon him, will be informed.

But I have yet to see where it states that he forgives or anything, he could not forgive people when he was alive peace be upon him, but he can when he is dead?

He is a person like us, one from mankind, but he is also a prophet and messenger which does make him special, but still human, he had to go toilet, he had reletions with his wives and so on, pretty human.

May Allah's blessings and peace be upon him
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-13-2006

Salams poster -

I understand where you are coming from and how you feel.

1. Muhammad pbuh is human, but not like us as in our nature. This doesnt imply in anyway he is divine. We are very sinful humans whilst he was the best of creation, an example for us all. No Prophet is a ordinary human being. What is emphaszied is their status with Allah. They have senses that a normal human being can not sense. The Prophet heard and saw things we couldnt.

2. All Prophets are alive in their grave and that was the aqeedah of the early muslims and even later day scholar Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahaab, it is only recent saudi "scholars" who claim that the prophets are bones and their bodies have been absorbed by worms. Keep in mind they are a very small minute minority who beleive such a disrespectful thing. The rest of the Salafiyah are sound in creed.

3. It is mere speculation about the sight and hearing of the Prophet. Whether he can see you and hear you now, that knowledge is with Allah, and by Allahs permission it could be made possible. However! its speculation and there is no scriptual evidence to support their claim. There is a hadith, however, which suggests that our deeds are presented to the Prophet pbuh every friday and there is also the hadith about the angels conveying your Salaam to the Prophet.

4. It is major shirk to call upon the Prophet asyou would call upon Allah.

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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-13-2006

subhanAllah thats shirk
   
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-22-2006

21:107 We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.
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Biographies of the Prophet usually treat their subject as if he were a person endowed with great magical powers, one who by mysterious means brought the whole of Arabia under his wing. These books read like fairy tales; even events, which have no miraculous content, have been given a fanciful, miraculous interpretation. Take the case of Suhaib Ibn Senan’s migration from Mecca to Medina. When some Quraysh youths blocked his path, Suhaib pleaded with them: “If I let you have all my property, will you let me go?” They said that they would. Suhaib had a few ounces of silver with him. He gave it all to them and carried on to Medina. According to a tradition in Baihaqi, Suhaib said that when the Prophet saw him in Medina he told Suhaib that his trading, that is, his handing over of his property to the Quraysh, had been very profitable. Suhaib, according to the tradition, was astounded, for no one had arrived in Medina before him who could have brought the news. “It must have been Gabriel who told you,” he said to the Prophet.

But the same event has been related by Marduya and Ibn Sa‘ad. According to them, Suhaib told his own story in these words:

“I carried on until I reached Medina. When the Prophet heard about my handing over my property to the Quraysh he said: ‘Suhaib’s trading has profited! Suhaib’s trading has profited!”

The entire life of the Prophet was, in fact, a simple human event, that is why it serves as an example to us. He was a human being like ay other, but his life was a perfect pattern for others. According to Bukhari, he stumbled on the road and was hurt like anyone else. Indeed, the reason that his congregation refused to believe that he was the receiver of divine revelation was the very fact that, to all appearances, the Prophet appeared just like any normal human being:

“You may transactions in the town. You see a livelihood just as we do.” (Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah)

The truth is that the greatness of the Prophet’s life lies in its being a human event rather than a far-fetched tale of inimitable miraculous actions. The Prophet was God’s humble and very human servant, and, having been chosen by God to spread His message, he was helped by Him at every critical hour. In this sense his success was miraculous, but the Prophet himself was in no way endowed with superhuman powers. It is rather the human aspect of his life, which emerges from a study of the Qur’an.
   
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-22-2006

Miracles were manifested through the Prophet pbuh but these were not by his own power. Please dont say the Prophet pbuh us just like you and me because he is not. In human form yes, hes human, but characterwise hes better than an angel. I find it dsrespectful when somebody says Muhammad pbuh was a normal normality of a normal norm! thats very degrading. He was the best of creation, a ruby amongst stones and in his footsteps we find perfection. wasalams
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-22-2006

1.The entire life of the Prophet was, in fact, a simple human event, that is why it serves as an example to us.
2.He was a human being like ay other, but his life was a perfect pattern for others.
3.that he was the receiver of divine revelation was the very fact that, to all appearances, the Prophet appeared just like any normal human being
   
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1.The entire life of the Prophet was, in fact, a simple human event, that is why it serves as an example to us.
I agree his life was human, but he was not just any simple human, he was a special human.

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2.He was a human being like ay other, but his life was a perfect pattern for others.
He was created like any other, but in no way is anybody comparable in the slightest to him. He is the best of all creation.

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3.that he was the receiver of divine revelation was the very fact that, to all appearances, the Prophet appeared just like any normal human being .
I see the Prophet peace be upon him as the best of human beings, in that respect we can follow him but we will never be on the same footing with him, therefore i dont consider him normal but special.

I dont deny the miracles of the Prophet peace be upon him, i dont belittle his knowldge of matters in the world and the hereafter, i believe that the Prophet was sinless and i definatly believe that he is special speacial speacial and not normal. I am not saying Muhammad peace be upon him is divine, no, he is a human that was chosan for divine revalation. I believe he was the first Prophet created and the last Prophet sent. I do not believe Muhammad peace be upon him is God or a part of Gods personal light. I fully believe that Muhammad peace be upon him was created.

He peace be upon him did have so many miracles, we cant say he didnt and that he is like any other human, just normal without miracles. Theres only one other human that i can think over who rode with flying animals at the speed of light and that is Santa claus, except Santa is a lie, our Prophet peace be upon him is a reality!

I am sure that we are speaking past each other here and that we have the same love and reverance for the Prophet peace be upon him, however the usage of words can be highly misunderstood.
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subhan Allaah, i agree abu ibraheem
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Assalamu Aleykum Brothers and Sisters,


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..believe he was the first Prophet created and the last Prophet sent.
What makes you believe this?
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I too would like to know that.
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Default Re: Muhammad (pbuh) a human? - 11-22-2006

ok so what about Sami Yusuf. In one of nasheeds, "Al Muallim," he says Ya Muhammad...
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