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| EliteRationalMinded Status: Offline Posts: 2,748 Reputation: 11549 Rep Power: 33 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Zealand Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Asalam Alaikum.
__________________Before we start... i want to make one thing clear. I DO NOT want this thread to turn into a SUFI VS SALAFI warzone, ok? So if anyone wishs to have a battle, start another thread. And also, i don't want anyone to post any links to any Extreme SUFI or Extreme SALAF ( Such as Alla####kbar.net ) in this thread. Alrite, with that off my chest, lets get back to the topic.. ..Just today, i was crusing through another forum and i read something which made me wonder "...Hmmm.... Maybe i/we were wrong all along,.. maybe it is just the saudi government... Anyway, i'll let you all read it for yourselves, Feel free to post your opinions. Quote:
See i told you, complex subject - and Allah knows best. Please, whatever you post, post it only if you know that it is a fact. Otherwise, please, try not to post any rubbish smile.gif I want opinions which are based on Facts.. Wasalaam -Zubair | |
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| Extremophile Status: Offline Posts: 6,657 Reputation: 24549 Rep Power: 57 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swimming with thermus aquaticus in Yellowstone National Park Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Hey man even I knew all that, and thats saying something cos I dont really now much on these issues lol.... ![]() |
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| Extremophile Status: Offline Posts: 6,657 Reputation: 24549 Rep Power: 57 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swimming with thermus aquaticus in Yellowstone National Park Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | You probably should have just not mentioned sufis in your post lol they werent relevant anyway. ![]() |
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| Dunya Ke Musaafir Status: Offline Posts: 534 Reputation: 526 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: AmeriKKKa, the land of slaves and narcotics Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
but ok here is something else http://www.the*******myth.com/ | |
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| EliteRationalMinded Status: Offline Posts: 2,748 Reputation: 11549 Rep Power: 33 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Zealand Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
Why not? I simply QUOTED a SALAFI from a SALAFI forum. And yes, Sufism is relevant, what the Salafi bloke from the other forum goes against what i've heard the Majority of Salafis say. So i am simply asking PEOPLE OF KNOWLEDGE to please help me clear out any misconceptions that i may have. It is better to ask a question (even though it will mean that you are issued with 20% warning (UNFAIRLY)) than be ignorant for the rest of your life, right? | |
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| Extremophile Status: Offline Posts: 6,657 Reputation: 24549 Rep Power: 57 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swimming with thermus aquaticus in Yellowstone National Park Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | have you ever seen the thread on ******s (<-- thats the W word.. it got censored for some reason http://www.islamicboard.com/sects-di...lafi-path.html ![]() |
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| EliteRationalMinded Status: Offline Posts: 2,748 Reputation: 11549 Rep Power: 33 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Zealand Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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By the way, Sufi's ARE Sunnis. I am not waiting around and holding my breathe while www.bakkah.net decide on wether they agree with me or not. I couldn't care less for their opinion. So once again, Please edit your post. It is NOT relevent to this thread. I am seeking Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab's views on the matter. Not YOURs or Bakkah.net's view. Barakallah feek. -Zubair | ||
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| Dunya Ke Musaafir Status: Offline Posts: 534 Reputation: 526 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: AmeriKKKa, the land of slaves and narcotics Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
Yes, you are right, everyone will answer to Allah for their Aqeedah, but realize that some of the groups you mentioned deviated so bad, it would be considered kufr, obviously Allah knows best concerning how they will end up, As far as Abdul Wahhab, if you would at least check out that W@hhabi myth site you would know that W@hh@bi isn't the correct term either, and Abdul W@hh@b isn't exactly relevant to Salafism as a whole either... but I found this for you either way despite your ignorance: *******sm, on the other hand, is an Islamic movement that was named after Imam Muhammad Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab of the 19th century. Imam Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab led a reform movement in Arabia in order to retain the pure and original form of Islam and to purify it from all the innovations that the Sufis of Arabia were committing at that time. Imam `Abdul-Wahhab followed the Hanbali school of thought (madhhab), especially the opinions of Imam Ibn Taymiyah. The ******* movement (now generally called the Salafi movement) did contribute to Islam by removing a lot of mischief from the land of Arabia and, eventually, uniting it under the House of Saud, who were students of Imam Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab. Some people mean by *******sm/Salafism, extremism and roughness in dealing with people. But this is not necessarily true. Many Salafis are very pious and kind, while other Salafis are extreme and rough. *******s prefer to take the most cautious opinions about banning any shape or form of worship that was not literally attributed to the Prophet (peace be upon him). For example, when Sufis sit in circles and mention the name of Allah as a group or read the Qur’an as a group, *******s judge that these acts are sinful. These kinds of issues are actually areas of difference in opinions among scholars, and Muslims ought to tolerate each other when it comes to these issues. Finally, let us judge the actions and not the labels and names. Hope this is helpful. Thank you and please keep in touch. Wa-salamu `alaykum. http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...AskAboutIslamE http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503544184 | |
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| EliteRationalMinded Status: Offline Posts: 2,748 Reputation: 11549 Rep Power: 33 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Zealand Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Barakallah feek. Quote:
So a) the Salafi Brother who i have quoted has Lied to me, OR alot of salafis are Ignorant of the truth. Which is it? By the time i am through with you, i will be asking myself the same question. *Sigh* Allah swt, have mercy on me, save me from this mind boggling Rhode Islander | |
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| Dunya Ke Musaafir Status: Offline Posts: 534 Reputation: 526 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: AmeriKKKa, the land of slaves and narcotics Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
lol, you're thru with me, still on the sanity thing, huh? Just after you thanked me for that article? As far as sufism, I know sites like allaahuakbar.net are harsh, but you cal look at a more moderate view on it over here: http://islamtoday.com/show_quest_sec...sub_cat_id=157 islamonline has some very good articles on it as well. Check it Out! | |
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| EliteRationalMinded Status: Offline Posts: 2,748 Reputation: 11549 Rep Power: 33 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Zealand Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I hope you didn't take it to heart Akhi, i was just joking
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| Dunya Ke Musaafir Status: Offline Posts: 534 Reputation: 526 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: AmeriKKKa, the land of slaves and narcotics Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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| Status: Offline Posts: 4,264 Reputation: 32160 Rep Power: 60 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ambala Boxes :( Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | lol @ zubair bro
__________________whenever Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab names is mentioned, its either followed by a deviant now wot someone has to analyse is what is considered bidah in his eyes, correct moi if im wrong, didnt wahhab play a large role in makin the graves of jannah tul baqi flattened? because people used to go there and do shirk? and he played some sort of part in makin the graves get flattened? also lol people shouldnt use the term ******* as in surah al hujuraat we are told not to use nicknames, and and and lol if someone has knowlegde and is considered a scholar by other scholars, then we should respect them "Are those who know equal to those who know not?''' "they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near" Surah al Baqarah v214 |
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