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| Eesa Abdullah Status: Offline Posts: 5,784 Reputation: 22602 Rep Power: 51 Join Date: Jan 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
With regards to the Turkish Brother, I have to admit to be honest when I saw him shaking hands with the pope, I thought that was the Orthodox Minister guy, I didn't think it was a Muslim guy. I don't know his position on the beard and I dont have any of his statements and so forth. So I don't really want to comment on him or his position in particular. I'l try to read more on the brother and get back to you. This is the brother right? ![]() The pope is the one on the left for those who don't know. إتبعوا ولا تبتدعوا، فقدكفيتم، وكل بدعة ضلالة Follow (the Sunnah) and do not innovate (into it), for verily you have been sufficed. And every innovation is a misguidance. Confused about which religion is true? How can I know? Come and check out some proposed fundamental principles (#1 , #2) to aid you in making a decision. | |
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| Eesa Abdullah Status: Offline Posts: 5,784 Reputation: 22602 Rep Power: 51 Join Date: Jan 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I could not agree more, I don't know if your familier with the Madhabs in Islam, there are 4 famous ones, and some people just follow what the rulings are in one madhab no matter what!! Ubelieveable.
__________________إتبعوا ولا تبتدعوا، فقدكفيتم، وكل بدعة ضلالة Follow (the Sunnah) and do not innovate (into it), for verily you have been sufficed. And every innovation is a misguidance. Confused about which religion is true? How can I know? Come and check out some proposed fundamental principles (#1 , #2) to aid you in making a decision. |
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| Status: Offline Posts: 3,275 Reputation: 5684 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: May 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Sikh | Quote:
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah. Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji! Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa. In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God. Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji! | |
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| Eesa Abdullah Status: Offline Posts: 5,784 Reputation: 22602 Rep Power: 51 Join Date: Jan 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
I've digged up some other fatwa's which should show you a more 'linient' verdict, from Islamonline.net Question: As-Salam `Alaykum Brothers, kindly tell me the fatwa on keeping beard. People tell me it is Haram, and others tell me it is a Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings upon him) and the keeper of the beard will get a reward for keeping it. Is it required to have a lengthy beard or can one take something from its width and length? Please help. Jazakum Allah khayran. That can be found here Also, Question: Dear scholars, As-Salamu `alaykum. What is Islam’s view on growing a beard? Jazakum Allah khayran.
And this can be found here I hope that kinda helps you to see that some people say it's sunnah, I don;t know why they say that, since it's a commandment, it would be nice to know what their view for saying 'its sunnah' is, there are parts of the fatwas which I don't know where they derive things from. Pretty upsetting. Eesa إتبعوا ولا تبتدعوا، فقدكفيتم، وكل بدعة ضلالة Follow (the Sunnah) and do not innovate (into it), for verily you have been sufficed. And every innovation is a misguidance. Confused about which religion is true? How can I know? Come and check out some proposed fundamental principles (#1 , #2) to aid you in making a decision. | |
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| LI Addict Status: Offline Posts: 3,101 Reputation: 6517 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Gender: Way of Life: Christian | Eesa Thank-you for your hard work and research. I see now that I was wrong in thinking that there was uniformity in everything within the Ummah. You have your differences in interpretations just like us Christians do. That doesn't bother me, I can respect that when people are sincerely looking for the truth, not simply to justify their personal opinions. It appears that the issue of the beard might be one of these things. Given all the different looks you will see among Christians, this is really a minor thing. As regard this part of what your found out: Quote:
btw, I didn't really think that Turkey was an apostate country. I know enough Turks to know better. That part was a bit of an exaggeration. | |
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 445 Reputation: 181 Rep Power: 13 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ankara Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
Dear brother, He is the Head of Religious Fairs in Turkey. Yes, people in Turkey are 99% are muslims but we don't have an Islamic State. That brothet can't speak or behave as a muslim represantative freely. He is an officer of our non-Islamic state. Do you understand me? Try to understand Turkish people. He is a sincere muslim scholar. He was an academician on Islam at a university in Turkey. He's really a sincere muslim. | |
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| Eesa Abdullah Status: Offline Posts: 5,784 Reputation: 22602 Rep Power: 51 Join Date: Jan 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
First I want you to know I love you for the sake of Allah, and I am very happy that you have been patient with me. May Allah reward you with Jannah!! I don't know what is happening in Turkey, I have had turkish friends who claimed to be muslims but I don't know, but I still love them, this brother, I love him for the sake of Allah and I'd do anything for him Insha'Allah. That was why I said I wouldnt say anything since I don't know him. Just wondering, can you tell me his name so I can read about him, and his views of Islam? Eesa. إتبعوا ولا تبتدعوا، فقدكفيتم، وكل بدعة ضلالة Follow (the Sunnah) and do not innovate (into it), for verily you have been sufficed. And every innovation is a misguidance. Confused about which religion is true? How can I know? Come and check out some proposed fundamental principles (#1 , #2) to aid you in making a decision. | |
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| Dunya Ke Musaafir Status: Offline Posts: 534 Reputation: 526 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: AmeriKKKa, the land of slaves and narcotics Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 445 Reputation: 181 Rep Power: 13 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ankara Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
Papal Visit won't Heal Wounds By Reuters, Cihan News Agency, Rome Thursday, November 16, 2006 zaman.com An upcoming visit to Turkey by Pope XVI Benedict will not stop Muslims from feeling wounded by his remarks on Islam, said Ali Bardakoglu, the top religious authority in Turkey, in an interview with Italian daily La Stampa. Bardakoglu will meet with the pope during his visit to Turkey from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1. Bardakoglu rebutted rumors of possible flaws in security for the Pope, but admitted the psychological effect of recent protests. “This visit will not solve all problems but it will be a good step toward further dialogue,” said Bardakoglu. “Peace is possible to destroy in a second but it takes years and years to reestablish.” Muslim reaction against the pope’s remarks on Sept. 12 forced him to apologize, but he never put his regret in exact terms. Although Bardakoglu expressed his approval of the pope’s regret, he reiterated that the remarks were “unacceptable.” “It makes no difference whether deplorable remarks about Islam came from someone who is not a cleric, or from someone religious, of from someone important. What matters is to make up for such remarks…. But all this is in the past now. We’re looking ahead,” said Bardakoglu. Afterwards the pope tried to improve his image by saying that he meant his words to be an explanation for a link between religion and reason, not between religion and violence. Bardakoglu responded to the papal statements saying that they could lead to academic misinterpretation of the situation: “Islam does not disregard reason. There is evidence in the Quran that God takes into account the role of reason.” |