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- Qatada - · 12:13 PM

Hi Grace Seeker.

Realise that islaams fiqh issues (issues of understanding) are open to differences of opinions, so long as it doesn't contradict the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him.) We know that even the companions of the Messenger of Allaah would differ on some aspects, for instance we know that once the Messenger of Allaah said to the muslims that they have to pray the 'asr [when the sun is declining] prayer when they reach Quraydha; some companions understood this to be that they have to pray when they reach that location even if they got late, some felt that if they reached their late - they may miss the prayer so they prayed in between the journey before reaching the location.

From there you can already see that the companions had a difference of fiqh (understanding) of what the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said. They used their understanding from what they had heard from the Messenger of Allaah to derive their own opinion [because they were knowledgable enough to derive this opinion. - i.e. scholars.]

Once they reached the place, they asked the Messenger of Allaah who was correct from among them, the Messenger of Allaah never disapproved none of them because they used their proof from the Messenger of Allaah and their best understanding of it.

From here you see how they have a difference of opinion, with their evidences [from the Qur'an and Authentic sayings of the Prophet.]

We also know that there will be different understandings of the texts in different situations. I.e. A person living in a dry desert is more likely to perform tayammum (dry ablution) compared to a person who lives in a rainforest. So the Authentic ahadith are open to interpretation. This could depend on the environment/location, or even the time - i.e. comparing todays issues to 1400years ago in matters of technology etc.

Therefore we can have a difference of opinion on fiqh so long as we have strong evidences, but we should choose the one with the most evidence [from the Qur'an and Authentic Sunnah] by asking a knowledgable scholar.

However, we should have a firm belief in matters of aqeedah (faith/belief etc.)

Allaah Almighty knows best.

Peace.

Isaac · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 12-01-2006

Salam brother. Slightly off topic, but i see in your post you have a link fro harlow masjid. I heard they were raising funds for the masjid, but did not know it was complete. How long has it been, and do you live in harlow?

Grace Seeker · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 12-01-2006

Fi_Sabilillah,

Thank-you. That was a helpful response.

Your illustration from the lives of the Companions is very instructive. I will try to remember that.

Abu Ibraheem · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 12-01-2006

a brother told me today that in the Malaki madhab you are allowed to trim the beard right down to the chin of your chinny chin chin. Does anybody know what the :vomit: he is talking about?

- Qatada - · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 12-02-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac

Salam brother. Slightly off topic, but i see in your post you have a link fro harlow masjid. I heard they were raising funds for the masjid, but did not know it was complete. How long has it been, and do you live in harlow?

I'm not sure akhi

its just a link to lectures, thats all i know.. Allaahu a'lam.

schoolmaster54 · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 12-03-2006

Dear brothers and sisters,
shaving beard is haram but in this world, it is obligatory to get a job to shave beard especially to be an officer in Turkey. Indeed, I don't like shaving. A man looks more natural with beard. He is some womanish without beard. It is like wearing a woman's dress for a man. When I'm off and on holidays, I never shave. Try it, you will look more mannish with beard and mustache. The mustache is a symbol for a man in Turkey. Turkish muslim soldiers (Yeniçeri: New Chery) during the Ottoman Empire. They looked magnificient and macabre for Islam enemies. It is necessary for a man, I think. (!!!!!!????????)

What do you think about it?

next? to have mustache???????????????????????

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- Qatada - Ummah Under 1 Banner Status: Offline Posts: 10,378 Reputation: 41985 Rep Power: 84 Join Date: May 2005 Location: ...travelling to the hereafter.. Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 12-01-2006 Hi Grace Seeker. Realise that islaams fiqh issues (issues of understanding) are open to differences of opinions, so long as it doesn't contradict the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him.) We know that even the companions of the Messenger of Allaah would differ on some aspects, for instance we know that once the Messenger of Allaah said to the muslims that they have to pray the 'asr [when the sun is declining] prayer when they reach Quraydha; some companions understood this to be that they have to pray when they reach that location even if they got late, some felt that if they reached their late - they may miss the prayer so they prayed in between the journey before reaching the location. From there you can already see that the companions had a difference of fiqh (understanding) of what the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said. They used their understanding from what they had heard from the Messenger of Allaah to derive their own opinion [because they were knowledgable enough to derive this opinion. - i.e. scholars.] Once they reached the place, they asked the Messenger of Allaah who was correct from among them, the Messenger of Allaah never disapproved none of them because they used their proof from the Messenger of Allaah and their best understanding of it. From here you see how they have a difference of opinion, with their evidences [from the Qur'an and Authentic sayings of the Prophet.] We also know that there will be different understandings of the texts in different situations. I.e. A person living in a dry desert is more likely to perform tayammum (dry ablution) compared to a person who lives in a rainforest. So the Authentic ahadith are open to interpretation. This could depend on the environment/location, or even the time - i.e. comparing todays issues to 1400years ago in matters of technology etc. Therefore we can have a difference of opinion on fiqh so long as we have strong evidences, but we should choose the one with the most evidence [from the Qur'an and Authentic Sunnah] by asking a knowledgable scholar. However, we should have a firm belief in matters of aqeedah (faith/belief etc.) Allaah Almighty knows best. Peace. __________________ iDawah.com Bringing Dawah back..to the future! http://salaf-stories.blogspot.com Last edited by - Qatada -; 12-01-2006 at 12:13 PM..

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Isaac LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 469 Reputation: 361 Rep Power: 20 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 12-01-2006 Salam brother. Slightly off topic, but i see in your post you have a link fro harlow masjid. I heard they were raising funds for the masjid, but did not know it was complete. How long has it been, and do you live in harlow?

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Grace Seeker LI Addict Status: Offline Posts: 3,101 Reputation: 6517 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Gender: Way of Life: Christian	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 12-01-2006 Fi_Sabilillah, Thank-you. That was a helpful response. Your illustration from the lives of the Companions is very instructive. I will try to remember that.

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Abu Ibraheem hi there! Status: Offline Posts: 304 Reputation: 922 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Oct 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 12-01-2006 a brother told me today that in the Malaki madhab you are allowed to trim the beard right down to the chin of your chinny chin chin. Does anybody know what the :vomit: he is talking about? __________________ A person with personal hatred in the heart will argue, however the one who questions his sincerity will reason.

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schoolmaster54 LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 445 Reputation: 181 Rep Power: 13 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ankara Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 12-03-2006 Dear brothers and sisters, shaving beard is haram but in this world, it is obligatory to get a job to shave beard especially to be an officer in Turkey. Indeed, I don't like shaving. A man looks more natural with beard. He is some womanish without beard. It is like wearing a woman's dress for a man. When I'm off and on holidays, I never shave. Try it, you will look more mannish with beard and mustache. The mustache is a symbol for a man in Turkey. Turkish muslim soldiers (Yeniçeri: New Chery) during the Ottoman Empire. They looked magnificient and macabre for Islam enemies. It is necessary for a man, I think. (!!!!!!????????) What do you think about it? next? to have mustache???????????????????????