To shave the beard is haraam....

AvarAllahNoor · **To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-23-2006

It is recorded Kitab-ul- Ib’dah [Book containing maliki Fiqh] To shave the beard is haraam and to trim it Shaving the beard is prohibited, as is cutting it if it causes a (clear) mutilation- Why is this?

**Al Habeshi** · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-23-2006

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

It is recorded Kitab-ul- Ib’dah [Book containing maliki Fiqh] To shave the beard is haraam and to trim it Shaving the beard is prohibited, as is cutting it if it causes a (clear) mutilation- Why is this?

Why is it prohibited to shave the beard?

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-23-2006

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Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah

Why is it prohibited to shave the beard?

Why?

subzero · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-23-2006

of the subject - did you know that the first person to sahve his beard was gay?

**Abu Sayyad** · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-23-2006

Ruling on shaving the beard

Question:
What is the ruling on shaving the beard or removing part of it?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Shaving the beard is haraam because of the saheeh ahaadeeth that clearly state this, and because of the general application of texts that forbid resembling the kuffaar. One of these reports is the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar who said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Be different from the mushrikeen: let your beards grow and trim your moustaches.” According to another report: “Trim your moustaches and let your beards grow.” There are other hadeeth which convey the same meaning, which is to leave the beard as it is and let it grow long, without shaving, plucking or cutting any part of it. Ibn Hazm reported that there was scholarly consensus that it is an obligation (fard) to trim the moustache and let the beard grow. He quoted a number of ahaadeeth as evidence, including the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) quoted above, and the hadeeth of Zayd ibn Arqam in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever does not remove any of his moustache is not one of us.” (Classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi). Ibn Hazm said in al-Furoo’: “This is the way of our colleagues [i.e., the Hanbalis].”

Is it haraam (to shave it)? Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The Qur’aan, Sunnah and ijmaa’ (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside. Al-Tirmidhi reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians.” According to another version: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad) ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard. Imaam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: “It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate” i.e., those who imitate women. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard (reported by Muslim from Jaabir). It is not permitted to remove any part of the beard because of the general meaning of the texts which forbid doing so.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/133

http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=11...having%20beard

Also see:
Is there any recommended length of the beard?

Shaving one's beard in fear of persecution

**Al Habeshi** · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-23-2006

If your asking why then simple, because the Prophet peace be upon him said not to.

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-23-2006

I ask because a few of my Sikh brothers ahve been mocked by so called muslims about having beards. Whne they are told Islam forbids you from cutting facial hair, they laugh and say it's a lie.

**Al Habeshi** · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-23-2006

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

I ask because a few of my Sikh brothers ahve been mocked by so called muslims about having beards. Whne they are told Islam forbids you from cutting facial hair, they laugh and say it's a lie.

May Allah guide me and them

Just ask them if they believe inthe Hadeeth of the prophet, peace be upon him.

Abu Ibraheem · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-23-2006

Salam

The Prophet saaws said oppose the mushrikuwn, trim the mostache and grow the beard. If a brother denys that then i feel sorry for him, because firstly he has opposed the Prophet and not the mushrikuwn and secondly he has agreed with the mushrikuwn.

This brother needs to decide whos sunnah he wants to follow, Prophet Muhammads or George Bushs.

Grace Seeker · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-24-2006

When one says, "trim the moustache" is it necessary to shave it completely off, of is it enough to simply keep it trimmed?

In growing the beard, must it cover the full face, or is it enough to simply have a short beard that covers the chin?

02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

I ask because a few of my Sikh brothers ahve been mocked by so called muslims about having beards. Whne they are told Islam forbids you from cutting facial hair, they laugh and say it's a lie.

They are secular muslims. They have little to no knowledge of islam these same people say music is allowed.

Abu Ibraheem · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-24-2006

Salaam

Trimming means trimming it closly and not having the mostache going over the top lip, and the trimming of the beard has the limit of four fingers according to your fingers (palm length) wasalams

Hijrah · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-24-2006

if you are a sikh, what are you doing with a book on maliki fiqh, shouldn't u be lookinmg at something more basic, isn't keeping a beard a must in sikhism

**Al Habeshi** · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-24-2006

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Originally Posted by Abu Ibraheem

Salaam

Trimming means trimming it closly and not having the mostache going over the top lip, and the trimming of the beard has the limit of four fingers according to your fingers (palm length) wasalams

Actually I dont think thats the strong view, some say that trimming it is mukhrooh, disliked.

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There is no recommended or specified length of the beard, because nothing to that effect has been narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). What has been reported is that the beard should be left as it is.

Muslim (2344) reported that Jaabir ibn Samurah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to have a very hairy beard.”

An-Nisaa’ (5232) reported from al-Baraa’ that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard; according to another report, he had a bushy beard; according to another report, he had a wide beard.

Some scholars permit cutting the hair of the beard that exceeds the amount that may be grasped in the fist, because Ibn ‘Umar did this; but most of the scholars regard this as makrooh, which is more apparent because of the reports referred to above.

Source If you had read the link brother Ahmed posted on the reccomended length that is what it says

Grace,
The beard, some consider to be the hair on the chin, jaw bone and cheeks.

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Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah preserve him) said: The definition of the beard as stated by the scholars of (Arabic) language is: the hair of the face, jawbone and cheeks, in the sense that all the hair on the cheeks, jawbone and chin is part of the beard and removing any of it is counted as a sin, because the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Let your beards grow,” “Leave your beards alone,” “Let your beards increase,” “Let your beards be full.” This indicates that it is not permissible to remove anything from the beard. But the sin may vary in degree – shaving the beard is worse than shortening it, because it is a more obvious contradiction of the Sunnah.

THis is also from the same above source

Peace

Abu Ibraheem · **Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... -** 11-24-2006

Its a fiqh issue in which there is ikhtilaaf, therefore i am not going to dispute. I cant say Ibn Umar was wrong and did something that Allah disliked, neither can i say the scholars who said that trimming the beard to the fistfull are wrong, i may not know all the evidences but encourage that the beard be grown down to where the heart lays within the chest. Thats where we should grow the beard from and not just from the face.

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AvarAllahNoor Status: Offline Posts: 3,275 Reputation: 5684 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: May 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Sikh	To shave the beard is haraam.... - 11-23-2006 It is recorded Kitab-ul- Ib’dah [Book containing maliki Fiqh] To shave the beard is haraam and to trim it Shaving the beard is prohibited, as is cutting it if it causes a (clear) mutilation- Why is this? __________________ Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah. Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji! Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa. In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God. Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji!

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subzero Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 10 Reputation: 29 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Nov 2006 Way of Life: Undisclosed	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 11-23-2006 of the subject - did you know that the first person to sahve his beard was gay?

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Abu Sayyad *iwannagetmarried.com* Status: Offline Posts: 6,823 Reputation: 50068 Rep Power: 91 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 11-23-2006 Ruling on shaving the beard Question: What is the ruling on shaving the beard or removing part of it? Answer: Praise be to Allaah. Shaving the beard is haraam because of the saheeh ahaadeeth that clearly state this, and because of the general application of texts that forbid resembling the kuffaar. One of these reports is the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar who said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Be different from the mushrikeen: let your beards grow and trim your moustaches.” According to another report: “Trim your moustaches and let your beards grow.” There are other hadeeth which convey the same meaning, which is to leave the beard as it is and let it grow long, without shaving, plucking or cutting any part of it. Ibn Hazm reported that there was scholarly consensus that it is an obligation (fard) to trim the moustache and let the beard grow. He quoted a number of ahaadeeth as evidence, including the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) quoted above, and the hadeeth of Zayd ibn Arqam in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever does not remove any of his moustache is not one of us.” (Classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi). Ibn Hazm said in al-Furoo’: “This is the way of our colleagues [i.e., the Hanbalis].” Is it haraam (to shave it)? Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The Qur’aan, Sunnah and ijmaa’ (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside. Al-Tirmidhi reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians.” According to another version: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad) ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard. Imaam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: “It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate” i.e., those who imitate women. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard (reported by Muslim from Jaabir). It is not permitted to remove any part of the beard because of the general meaning of the texts which forbid doing so. Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/133 http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=11...having%20beard Also see: Is there any recommended length of the beard? Shaving one's beard in fear of persecution __________________ هَلْ جَزَاء الْإِحْسَانِ إِلَّا الْإِحْسَانُ؟ Is there any reward for good other than good? [ar-Rahman: 60] "However, keep in mind that you must instruct the people with kindness and mercy. Don’t take this answer and shove it in their faces.* Be kind, gentle and patient.*" - Imam Suhaib Webb, advising after giving an answer. O Allah, Lord of Jibril, Mika'il and Israfil, Creator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants concerning that wherein they differ. Guide me with regard to that wherein there is dispute concerning the truth by Your leave, for You guide whomsoever You will to the straight path. Oh Allah, I seek refuge in You lest I misguide others, or I am misguided by others, lest I cause others to err or I am caused to err, lest I abuse others or be abused, and lest I behave foolishly or meet with the foolishness of others.

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Al Habeshi Eesa Abdullah Status: Offline Posts: 5,784 Reputation: 22602 Rep Power: 51 Join Date: Jan 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 11-23-2006 If your asking why then simple, because the Prophet peace be upon him said not to. __________________ إتبعوا ولا تبتدعوا، فقدكفيتم، وكل بدعة ضلالة Follow (the Sunnah) and do not innovate (into it), for verily you have been sufficed. And every innovation is a misguidance. Confused about which religion is true? How can I know? Come and check out some proposed fundamental principles (#1 , #2) to aid you in making a decision.

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AvarAllahNoor Status: Offline Posts: 3,275 Reputation: 5684 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: May 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Sikh	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 11-23-2006 I ask because a few of my Sikh brothers ahve been mocked by so called muslims about having beards. Whne they are told Islam forbids you from cutting facial hair, they laugh and say it's a lie. __________________ Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah. Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji! Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa. In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God. Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji!

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Abu Ibraheem hi there! Status: Offline Posts: 304 Reputation: 922 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Oct 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 11-23-2006 Salam The Prophet saaws said oppose the mushrikuwn, trim the mostache and grow the beard. If a brother denys that then i feel sorry for him, because firstly he has opposed the Prophet and not the mushrikuwn and secondly he has agreed with the mushrikuwn. This brother needs to decide whos sunnah he wants to follow, Prophet Muhammads or George Bushs. __________________ A person with personal hatred in the heart will argue, however the one who questions his sincerity will reason.

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Grace Seeker LI Addict Status: Offline Posts: 3,101 Reputation: 6517 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Gender: Way of Life: Christian	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 11-24-2006 When one says, "trim the moustache" is it necessary to shave it completely off, of is it enough to simply keep it trimmed? In growing the beard, must it cover the full face, or is it enough to simply have a short beard that covers the chin?

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Abu Ibraheem hi there! Status: Offline Posts: 304 Reputation: 922 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Oct 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 11-24-2006 Salaam Trimming means trimming it closly and not having the mostache going over the top lip, and the trimming of the beard has the limit of four fingers according to your fingers (palm length) wasalams __________________ A person with personal hatred in the heart will argue, however the one who questions his sincerity will reason.

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Abu Ibraheem hi there! Status: Offline Posts: 304 Reputation: 922 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Oct 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: To shave the beard is haraam.... - 11-24-2006 Its a fiqh issue in which there is ikhtilaaf, therefore i am not going to dispute. I cant say Ibn Umar was wrong and did something that Allah disliked, neither can i say the scholars who said that trimming the beard to the fistfull are wrong, i may not know all the evidences but encourage that the beard be grown down to where the heart lays within the chest. Thats where we should grow the beard from and not just from the face. __________________ A person with personal hatred in the heart will argue, however the one who questions his sincerity will reason.