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I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)


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ISLAM DENOUNCES TERRORISM



God calls to the Abode of Peace and He guides whom He wills to a straight path
(Qur’an, 10:25)



HARUN YAHYA



WAR IN THE QUR'AN


...Only after the following revelation, the Prophet commanded his people to prepare for war:



Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged – truly God has the power to come to their support – those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, “Our Lord is God”… (Qur’an, 22:39-40)


... In other verses, Muslims are warned against the use of unnecessary provocation or violence:



Fight in the Way of God against those who fight you, but do not go beyond the limits. God does not love those who go beyond the limits. (Qur’an, 2:190)



.... The Messenger of God also clarified the attitude Muslims must adopt even when they are in the middle of a raging battle:
Do not kill children. Avoid touching people who devote themselves to worship in churches! Never murder women and the elderly. Do not set trees on fire or cut them down. Never destroy houses


... You who believe! Show integrity for the sake of God, bearing witness with justice. Do not let hatred for a people incite you into not being just.
Be just. That is closer to heedfulness. Heed God (alone). God is aware of what you do. (Qur’an, 5:8)


The Meaning of the Concept of "Jihad”
..The exact meaning of “Jihad” is “effort”. Thus, in Islam, “to carry out jihad” is “to show effort, to struggle”.


The Prophet Muhammad (p) explained that “the greatest jihad is the one a person carries out against his lower soul”. What is meant by “lower soul” here is selfish desires and ambitions.




Assessed from the Qur’anic point of view, the word “jihad” can also mean a struggle carried out on intellectual grounds against those who oppress people, treat them unjustly, subject them to torture and cruelty and violate legitimate human rights.



The purpose of this struggle is to bring about justice, peace and equality.


{ Insha Allah , to be continued }
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Do not kill children. Avoid touching people who devote themselves to worship in churches! Never murder women and the elderly. Do not set trees on fire or cut them down. Never destroy houses
If we look the actions of modern day soldiers, and use the Quran as a ground to compare them upon, most soldiers are barbaric. I think the Islamic way of fighting should be implemented in every organised army.

Terrorism however, is not allowed in Islam.

They are terrorists those who do not obey the above rulings on war and fighting that is in the Quran, Muslim or non Muslim.

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You who believe! Show integrity for the sake of God, bearing witness with justice. Do not let hatred for a people incite you into not being just.
Be just. That is closer to heedfulness. Heed God (alone). God is aware of what you do. (Qur’an, 5:8)
Allah is most just. We should always be just and be careful not to be biased in our judgements.

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From reading this it seems that all weapons of mass destruction are anti-Islamic. I can not see how most modern weapons and explosives can be used in an Islamic manner.

I wonder if maybe we are loosing the concept of war and replacing it with justification for distruction. One of the most formidable weapons of warfare was available to the Prophet(PBUH), yet I have never seen any reference as to where it was every used by Him in warefare. This was "Greek Fire" a very fearsome weapon very similar to napalm but used more like a flame thrower.

It had been used by the Pagan Arabs prior to Islam and it had been used against Muslims. But, nowwhere can I find any evidence that the early Muslims ever used it in warfare.


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While there has been much speculation involved in preparation of Greek Fire, no one to date has been able to successfully recreate this concoction. The closest would be the Arabian armies, who eventually created their own version (opinions differ as to exactly when this took place, presumably sometime between the mid-seventh century and the early tenth), but the formula was inexact and, compared to the original Byzantine substance, was relatively weak. This did not stop it from being one of the most devastating weapons of the era. The Arabs used the Greek Fire in very effective ways; much like the Byzantines, they used brass tubes aboard ships and upon castle walls. They also filled small glass jars with the substance, allowing them to hurl it by hand at their opponents. Arrows and spears would be used to carry the mixture further onto the battlefield and gigantic war engines could be used to hurl large amounts of the substance over a castle wall.
Perhaps we would have better outcomes of war if we all stuck to the guidlines of war and stopped trying to expediate them into more efficient wars.

For those that do not know what "Greek Fire" is here is a link:

http://stronghold.heavengames.com/sc/history/greekfire
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salaam /peace ;


ISLAM DENOUNCES TERRORISM


---- HARUN YAHYA


http://www.harunyahya.com


Compassion, Tolerance and Humanity in the History of Islam

.... British historian Karen Armstrong, a former nun and an expert on Middle East history. In her book Holy War, which examines the history of the three divine religions, she makes the following comments:

When Mohammad sent his freedman Zaid against the Christians at the head of a Muslim army, he told them to fight in the cause of God bravely but humanely. They must not molest priests, monks and nuns nor the weak and helpless people who were unable to fight.......


...the declaration of protection given to the Nestorian Patriarch Yeshuyab III (650 - 660 AD) again guaranteed that churches would not be demolished and that no building would be converted into a house or a mosque.



The letter written by the patriarch to the bishop of Fars (Persia) after the conquest is most striking, in the sense that it depicts the tolerance and compassion shown by Muslim rulers to the Book of People in the words of a Christian:


They [Abbasids] have not attacked the Christian religion, but rather they have commended our faith, honored our priests... and conferred benefits on churches and monasteries

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Armstrong is very favourable toward Islam, trying to put early Islamic violence into a proper context. I appreciate her perspective, though I often disagree.

I believe no war is holy.
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I appreciate the thread.
Even if there wasn't Islam, war would still occur.

Islam atleast puts boundaries and limits on war unlike other religions because Allah knows humans will fight each other for whatever reasons.

The world cannot live in peace, ever. It's a beautiful thought, but let's face the facts, people love to belittle each other to give themselves height, whether religion is involved or not. Because this is true, you need something that has a strong stance when it comes to violence, and Islam does alhemdulilah.

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Salaam/peace;

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Armstrong is very favourable toward Islam, trying to put early Islamic violence into a proper context. I appreciate her perspective, though I often disagree.

I believe no war is holy.
I appreciate the thread.

-- why u think a Chrsitian lady is very favourable toward Islam ?

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I often disagree.

----with which logic ?

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I appreciate the thread
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Salaam/peace;

brenton : Armstrong is very favourable toward Islam, trying to put early Islamic violence into a proper context


----Islam is against violence . Even in war field , Muslims are told to ' ESCORT' enemies if they want to hear the words of God Almighty. ( Chapter 9 , verse 6 ).



http://www.islamicity.com/MOSQUE/ARA...AYAT/9/9_6.htm

Sura 9 - Ayat 6

At-Tauba (The Repentance)

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English (Yusuf Ali): (Recite)


9:6 If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.



Turkish:
9:6 Eger müsriklerden biri, senden 'eman isterse', ona eman ver; öyle ki Allah'in sözünü dinlemis olsun, sonra onu 'güvenlik içinde olacagi yere ulastir.' Bu, onlarin elbette bilmeyen bir topluluk olmalari nedeniyledir.


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9:6 Et si l'un des associateurs te demande asile, accorde-le lui, afin qu'il entende la parole d'Allah, puis fais-le parvenir à son lieu de sécurité. Car ce sont des gens qui ne savent pas.


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9:6 Und wenn einer der Götzendiener bei dir Schutz sucht, dann gewähre ihm Schutz, bis er Allahs Wort vernehmen kann; hierauf lasse ihn die Stätte seiner Sicherheit erreichen. Dies weil sie ein unwissendes Volk sind.


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9:6 Si uno de los asociadores te pide protección concédesela, para que oiga la Palabra de Alá. Luego, facilítale la llegada a un lugar en que esté seguro. Es que son gente que no sabe.
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charismaI do not believe that war is "holy," but I sometimes believe it is necessary. I appreciate the limits that Judaism & Islam (and later Christian princes) put on war, but it is still not holy, IMHO.

muslimwomanI don't know why Armstrong is favourable toward Islam. I think she is a fan, especially of Muhammad. I don't know if she is Christian anymore, but I don't think she has converted to Islam.

On Islamic violence, an example. In her history of Islam, her chapter on Muhammad is all positive. She puts two events into a larger context:
1. The raids on caravans by Muslims
2. The slaughtering of 700 Jewish traitors and selling their wives and children to slavery by Muhammad.
In both cases, she takes what look like difficult events and explains the history around them, the reasons for them, and how they were not so horrific at the time.

Why do I disagree with her sometimes? On the logic of how I see history and religion. I disagree with her view on fundamentalism (logos & mythos), but her attempt is so clear and helpful it makes a good starting point. I disagree with how she reads the growth of Islamic empire, and the reasons behind terrorism today. I disagree with how she reads Genesis in one way (the documentary hypothesis), but enjoy the way she brings Jewish, Christian & Muslim readings together.
   
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..... One of the most formidable weapons of warfare was available to the Prophet(PBUH), yet I have never seen any reference as to where it was every used by Him in warefare. This was "Greek Fire" .....

---that's interesting but how can we know that if Muslims had this weapon ?
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---that's interesting but how can we know that if Muslims had this weapon ?
The Arabs had it. It was only after they accepted Islam that they stopped using it.

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The source is the link I posted in the earlier post. The Arabs were very skilled Chemists and historicaly there is much reference to their use of Greek fire and other devastating weapons, including explosives. This stopped when they all accepted Islam. I think historicaly it is worthy to note they did not use any of these type weapons against the crusaders.
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The Arabs had it. It was only after they accepted Islam that they stopped using it.



The source is the link I posted in the earlier post. The Arabs were very skilled Chemists and historicaly there is much reference to their use of Greek fire and other devastating weapons, including explosives. This stopped when they all accepted Islam. I think historicaly it is worthy to note they did not use any of these type weapons against the crusaders.

thanks bro for the wonderful info......i had no idea about this. I wonder , why it's not mentioned in other Islamic sites i regularly visit ? Perhaps they also don't know ?
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charismaI do not believe that war is "holy," but I sometimes believe it is necessary. I appreciate the limits that Judaism & Islam (and later Christian princes) put on war, but it is still not holy, IMHO.

muslimwomanI don't know why Armstrong is favourable toward Islam. I think she is a fan, especially of Muhammad. I don't know if she is Christian anymore, but I don't think she has converted to Islam.

On Islamic violence, an example. In her history of Islam, her chapter on Muhammad is all positive. She puts two events into a larger context:
1. The raids on caravans by Muslims
2. The slaughtering of 700 Jewish traitors and selling their wives and children to slavery by Muhammad.
In both cases, she takes what look like difficult events and explains the history around them, the reasons for them, and how they were not so horrific at the time.

Why do I disagree with her sometimes? On the logic of how I see history and religion. I disagree with her view on fundamentalism (logos & mythos), but her attempt is so clear and helpful it makes a good starting point. I disagree with how she reads the growth of Islamic empire, and the reasons behind terrorism today. I disagree with how she reads Genesis in one way (the documentary hypothesis), but enjoy the way she brings Jewish, Christian & Muslim readings together.
Salaam/peace;


I did not read her that book u mentioned. Few lines on the ralated issues: Jews were punished according to their own holy book. A Jewish Judge gave the verdict regarding .....i forgot now ...most probably Duet . If u want , i will Insha Allah ( God Willing ) collect more info.


The Last Prophet (p) forgave the killer of his own daughter & uncle who always supported him in danger , he forgave ( when he was capable of taking revenge ) those who tortured & forced him to leave his birthplace holy Macca.

If anybody compares the Do's & Dont's of soldiers in the war found in the major holy books , i m sure nobody can complain against Quran anymore.

Only one example : regarding Duet , not even in war time , if people are idol worshipper , a city must be totally destroyed & ALL citizens ( that surely includes babies ) must be killed . When even in war times , Muslims were not allowed to kill ALL but to ' ESCORT ' enemies if they want to hear the words of God. Hope , at least u appriciate this verse


**Murdering a person for no reason is one of the most obvious examples of mischief. God repeats in the Qur’an a command He formerly revealed to Jews in the Old Testament thus:


... if someone kills another person – unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth – it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind... (Qur’an, 5:32)


As the verse suggests, a person who kills even a single man, “unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth”, commits a crime as if he had murdered all mankind


...Do not corrupt the earth after it has been put right. Call on Him fearfully and eagerly. God’s mercy is close to the good-doers. (Qur’an, 7:56)


watch the film : Islam Denounces Terrorism





http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com/film.htm

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This film is produced by the sponsorship of the Science Research Foundation, in Istanbul, Turkey.

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