Salam Alay Koom:

From:
The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Arabic
Edited by J.M. Cowan
(sometimes referred to as the "Cowan's Dictionary")

Page 302 column 2 Word: Khamara
Meaning V

"to ferment, to be in a state of fermentation; to rise (dough);
to veil the head and face (woman)."
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Wortabet's Pocket Dictionary
English-Arabic
Arabic-English
John Wortabet and Harvey Porter


Arabic side: page 84: column 1 Word: Khamar / Yakhmuru:
"To veil, conceal"

Arabic side: page 84: column 1 Word: Takhammara
"To veil the head, face."

Arabic side: page 84: column 1 Word: Khamaaru / Khumur

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These are Dictionaries used by Muslims everyday, I know many who rely on their "Cowan's" alone
either some translators have Failed to do their research, have simply carried on with what someone else has told them, or all the dictionaries need to be "corrected" as to what the veil- khimar means.

I am a Muslim born and raised in America, my own Mother and Step Mother wore the Veil until the aged out of it.

In my family, you had better personally do your research before you express something.

A Scholar is only a Scholar when he is correct. A true Scholar is always a student studying.

Bad Scholars are those who simply "agree" with the line of study given without confirmation.

Always Confirm. That I the way it was in the time of the Prophet (saw). How many people came alway across countries just to confirm things or correct things with Mother of the Believers Aisha(raa)? This also shows that she had status among men and scholar.

If the Command of The God Said that men should wear a veil, guess what?

You would have this same problem.

I would be wearing mine.

I always have to ask (myself usually): when while humanity actually listen to The God, and quit worrying about what some other mortal thinks of it?

A Muslim is one who Obeys The God. You know what a "Veil" is and and "Headscarf". After that you have The Power to Choose /Limited Freewill / Qadri.

I am still waiting for "Them" to tell Nuns to take off their Hijab/ headscarf. Or to run up in those hills of Romania and tell the "Peasant woman" (who dress a lot like Muslims) to take theirs off.

Ma Salam

I do not give a toss about Hans Wehr and his dictionary (what is wrong with al-Mufradaat by ar-Raaghib al-Asbahaanee). I take lessons only from Muslim Shayukh and Scholars who are familiar with rules of Quran translation.

Wa-salam

http://www.islamicboard.com/710721-post14.html (We are not required to wear Hijab- please help me refute)

As much as i hate to agree with you..
..i agree with you. Keep away from Islamqa.com.

* Waiting for the "you're a bloody sufi! Go back to your sufi fatwa sites!" comments to be thrown at me... *

you're a bloody sufi! Go back to your sufi fatwa sites!

Joking... anyway, if you don't like, no one is forcing you to use it, just don't try to ruin their reputation.

Well... you are a ******... sue me

( I am joking too )

p.s even before i post this, i bet that W word has been censored

I was only simply agreeing with NoName55.

Thats it now, everyone should jump bro Zubair and ban him. C'mon modz!

Medina89, do not let them win the case, trust me, one of the sides at the end with drop the case, so be strong , try to give them arguments , and sometimes they will drop the case and not bother u anymore as they will see that you won't change your mind. Be a stubborn in this case and don't give up.

Yeah, masha Allaah good advice bro vpb ^ it reminds me of a famous companion of Allaah's Messenger (peace be upon him.)

Companion: Sa'ad ibn Abi Waqas:

While the Prophet was delighted with Sad's acceptance of Islam, others including and especially his mother were not. Sad relates: "When my mother heard the news of my Islam, she flew into a rage. She came up to me and said:

"O Sad! What is this religion that you have embraced which has taken you away from the religion of your mother and father...? By God, either you forsake your new religion or I would not eat or drink until I die. Your heart would be broken with grief for me and remorse would consume you on account of the deed which you have done and people would censure you forever more.'

'Don't do (such a thing), my mother,' I said, 'for I would not give up my religion for anything.'

However, she went on with her threat... For days she neither ate nor drank. She became emaciated and weak. Hour after hour, I went to her asking whether I should bring her some food or something to drink but she persistently refused, insisting that she would neither eat nor drink until she died or I abandoned my religion. I said to her:

'Yaa Ummaah! In spite of my strong love for you, my love for God and His Messenger is indeed stronger. By God, if you had a thousand souls and one soul after another were to depart, I would not abandon this my religion for anything.' When she saw that I was determined she relented unwillingly and ate and drank."

It was concerning Sad's relationship with his mother and her attempt to force him to recant his faith that the words of the Quran were revealed:

And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command), "Show gratitude to Me and to thy parents: to Me is (thy final) Goal.

"But if they strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration), and follow the way of those who turn to me (in love): in the end the return of you all is to Me, and I will tell you the truth (and meaning) of all that ye did."

[Qur'an Surah Luqman 31: 13-15]

More... (Sa’d bin Abi Waqqaas)

Now now.... that would be harsh. i've been VERY VERY good for the past half a month or so.. lol

lol yeh, jazaak Allaah khayr init. Much appreciated.

Basically, just like prayer is mentioned in the Quran, so is covering ones self. Just like prayer, you will not find the specific ways to pray, in which you must look at hadith to tell you how to pray. Same with covering ones self. The Quran will tell you that you need to cover yourself, but the Hadith will give you the details on what to cover, how to cover, and anything else you want to know about the Hijab.

With that being said, the only thing for you to do now is to do your own research to see how you should cover.

Kidman

Salam Alaykoom:

If you go back near the beginning of this thread, (Medina 83's post) Sura 24 ayat 31 was mentionioned: "...That they should draw the veil (Khimmar= face veil as opposed to hijab = common veiling like a curtain- per se) over their bosoms and not display their beauty except..."

I do not need to go to a hadith because that is very specific- in fact you have seen it in action (possibly) in documentaries where you see sisters in the Islamic Region ( I do not go for "Middle East", because on a map it is actually "Lower Asia" or "Upper Africa") "Draw Their Veils up" to hide their faces from the cameras.

But I definitely agree that you have to research Hadith to learn The Prayer.

Unlike the common idea of just letting some Imam, Sheik, Ulama, whatever they have mutated into as "Clerics" since the time of the Prophet (there actually was no Clergy in Islam during his time, everyone had to learn their religion and be ready to be Imam/Leader when needed, and get right back into the ranks once you were not "Leading" anymore.)

You would be quite surprised at how different the Prayer of the Prophet is from the prayer that is practiced now.

yes not only Hijab but Niqab is also mandatory.

What religion are your parents?

That's false, if that was the case then why is it mandatory to not wear niqab while performing hajj?? You must keep the face and hands open.

It was only mandatory for the wives of the Prophet to wear niqab... and it's recommended to wear, but not mandatory.

Peace,

Kidman