Brother's, Sisters of every faith and non-faith.

I am going attemp an article on apostasy where I can ost here and keep one for future reference. Any further argument for it and agaist it will be helpfull.
Any primary sources will also be helpfull.

Thank You.

Here's a question,
1. If their is no compulsion in Islam, than is it the same thing if a person is compelled to remain in his faith an act of compulsion?

2. How would you justify, supposing in a christan country who has a same law for apostasy, which this is evident in the bible, for exacting the same punishment for a person leaving christianity for Islam?

Peace be upon you!

Skillganon,
Both your questions have already been answered in this thread, in this post:
http://www.islamicboard.com/232188-post29.html (Islam and Apostasy)

Thank's. I will ask more Question's

Ansar Al-'Adl yes I read your link. I had read it before when you posted it.
I am doing my best to understand Islam and a person should read links provided by a peoples he is trying to understand.

What I found wrong about the information contained in the link is first and fore-most:

"Anyone who becomes a Muslim does so purely through objective study of the religion".

That statement is so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

HOW does a Muslim child objectively study Islam and then decide to become what his parents hope he becomes, a Muslim?????????

HOW does an adult objectively decide on Islam when other choices are suppressed?????

A lack of compulsion is ONLY given when all opposing points of view are given without any reprisials<sp> and protected by the state.

No, on this issue modern Islam loses.

Thanks
Nimrod

Hello Nimrod,
Thanks for your post.
I was referring here to people who convert into the religion as opposed to those who were already raised as Muslims. But even in the latter case one is supposed to study their religion and embrace it for themselves, not because their parents were Muslims, but because they sincerely believe it to be the truth.

There are many Muslims living in Non-Muslim countries who were raised as Muslims but if they chose not to follow Islam anymore, no one could stop them. But there has never been any knowledgeable Muslim who has done that.

Regards

Assalamu-alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatu

Perfect answer Brother, nice to see it's settled. And remember nimrod it is only after the age of maturity that a person is accountable for his/her deeds by which time they have enough sense to judge right and wrong for themselves.

I think that depends on what you mean by "knowledgeable". Patrick Sookhdeo is a British-based Christian who was born in Guyana, and I think studied at an Islamic school, but converted. He is now what you might call Islamophobic.

I'm talking about an educated Muslim who has more than an elementary school education on Islam. If Sookhdeo is the best example you can give me, than my point is well-established. There are [unfortunately] many kids who immigrate with their families to a non-muslim country and lose their religion; Sookhdeo was only 10 years old when he came to England, and by the time he was in his twenties he had lost his religion completely. Having a fourth grade education is not what I meant when I said, "knowledgeable Muslim". And someone who believes that the Qur'an openly commands Muslims to slaughter all Christians and Jews is no better than the ignorant racists who spout such hateful drivel on the internet.
An understatement, if I ever saw one.

Regards

Ansar Al-'Adl somehow I highly suspect that the Muslim growing up in Saudi Arabia isn't given an equal opportunity to study the Christianity faith un-impeded.

How about Afghanistan?

I will bet you $100 to $1 that if Islam was restricted in those two countries like the Christian faith is, you would NOT be standing by what you have posted.

I know…..what is going on in those countries isn’t Islam…. I have read it time and time again.

It is real life though, would you agree, that until there is a truly Islamic (according to your definition of Islam) State, that there should be a ban on any killing of converts from Islam?

Thanks
Nimrod

Hi Nimrod,
Thanks for your post.

I'm sure you understand that I have no interest in discussing, much less defending, what goes on in this Muslim country or that Muslim country. I am only interested in expounding the true teachings of Islam as given in the Qur'an and Sunnah.

As far as studying other religions is concerned, there has always been a large motivation for Muslims to study comparative religion since Muslim scholars till today have always been very active in dialoguing and debating with people of other faiths.

I would agree that the punishment for apostasy should only be done within the parameters of the Shari'ah law, which would eliminate any problems.

However, I would also agree with you that there is a serious need for reform amongst Muslim countries in order to better implement the Islamic laws. How we go about reforming is quite a large topic of discussion beyond the scope of the current thread, but the key point here is education.

Peace

Thanks for an interesting post Ansar Al-'Adl.

I would like to ask how that helps the poor Christian recently in the news from Afghanistan though.

After all for that poor soul, Islam is what it is.

Are you agreeing that if it can’t be done in the right way it shouldn’t be done?

If not then what?

Kill the fellow even though his killers are as wrong as him according to Islam?

I am sure he and his family would take comfort in that.

An interesting concept there.

Thanks
Nimrod

Yes. I commented on the Afghan situation in this post:
http://www.islamicboard.com/235493-post42.html (Islam and Apostasy)

His family is the one that called for his execution. If it weren't for his family, his case would never have even reached the government.

Regards

Ansar Al-'Adl you are most likely correct "His family is the one that called for his execution".

I don't recall his children calling for his execution, I may have missed it though.

Thanks
Nimrod

LOL