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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 397 Reputation: 682 Rep Power: 18 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nottingham Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | i would be greatful if somebody has a way to improve this or add to this ...many heads are better than one wasalams |
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| Administrator Status: Offline Posts: 5,161 Reputation: 13017 Rep Power: 45 Join Date: Dec 2004 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I think I responded to a similar attack in this thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...tml#post118389 (Discussion about the Qur'an and the Bible) |
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 291 Reputation: 1099 Rep Power: 7 Join Date: Jan 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
No human is sinless, including Prophets. Q:7:23:They said: Our Lord! We(Adam & Eve) have wronged ourselves...... Q:26:82:And Who, I ardently hope, will forgive me my(Ibraheem) sin on the Day of Judgment. Q:38:25:So We forgave him(Dawood) that; and lo! he had access to Our presence and a happy journey's end. Q:28:16:He said: My Lord! Lo! I(Mosa) have wronged my soul, so forgive me. Then He forgave him. Q:47:19:So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women. [Q:48:2] That God may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way; It's ONLY that Prophat Muhammad(saw) was forgiven his faults in this world while other Prophets & other humans will have to wait for DOJ(Day of Judjement) for decision on them. Bukhari:2:19:- Narated By 'Aisha : Whenever Allah's Apostle ordered the Muslims to do something, he used to order them deeds which were easy for them to do, (according to their strength endurance). They said, "O Allah's Apostle! We are not like you. Allah has forgiven your past and future sins." So Allah's Apostle became angry and it was apparent on his face. He said, "I am the most Allah fearing, and know Allah better than all of you do." Bukhari:55:577:- Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle said, "Abraham did not tell a lie except on three occasions." Bukhari:60:3:- Narated By Anas : The Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection the Believers will assemble and say, 'Let us ask somebody to intercede for us with our Lord.' So they will go to Adam and say, 'You are the father of all the people, and Allah created you with His Own Hands, and ordered the angels to prostrate to you, and taught you the names of all things; so please intercede for us with your Lord, so that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' Adam will say, 'I am not fit for this (i.e. intercession for you).' Then Adam will remember his sin and feel ashamed thereof. He will say, 'Go to Noah, for he was the first Apostle, Allah sent to the inhabitants of the earth.' They will go to him and Noah will say: 'I am not fit for this undertaking.' He will remember his appeal to his Lord to do what he had no knowledge of, then he will feel ashamed thereof and will say, 'Go to the Khalil-r-Rahman (i.e. Abraham).' They will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking. Go to Moses, the slave to whom Allah spoke (directly) and gave him the Torah.' So they will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking.' and he will mention (his) killing a person who was not a killer, and so he will feel ashamed thereof before his Lord, and he will say, 'Go to Jesus, Allah's Slave, His Apostle and Allah's Word and a Spirit coming from Him. Jesus will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, go to Muhammad the Slave of Allah whose past and future sins were forgiven by Allah.' So they will come to me and I will proceed till I will ask my Lord's Permission and I will be given permission. When I see my Lord, I will fall down in Prostration and He will let me remain in that state as long as He wishes and then I will be addressed.' (Muhammad!) Raise your head. Ask, and your request will be granted; say, and your saying will be listened to; intercede, and your intercession will be accepted.' I will raise my head and praise Allah with a saying (i.e. invocation) He will teach me, and then I will intercede. He will fix a limit for me (to intercede for) whom I will admit into Paradise. Then I will come back again to Allah, and when I see my Lord, the same thing will happen to me. And then I will intercede and Allah will fix a limit for me to intercede whom I will let into Paradise, then I will come back for the third time; and then I will come back for the fourth time, and will say, 'None remains in Hell but those whom the Qur'an has imprisoned (in Hell) and who have been destined to an eternal stay in Hell.' " (The compiler) Abu 'Abdullah said: 'But those whom the Qur'an has imprisoned in Hell,' refers to the Statement of Allah: "They will dwell therein forever." (16.29) Quote:
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Term "being sinless" can be confusing whether he never made any mistake or he did mistakes but was forgiven. Quote:
When a glass is EMPTY & I say "please empty this glass", This would be false statement since glass was ALREADY empty. So If Prophet was "empty" of sins, or NOT capable of sins, then asking for repentence would be a similar false statement. & false statements doesn't suit Prophets. Also Allah does NOT lie, so why would HE talk of forgiving Prophet if he was already sinless,:- [Q:48:2] That God may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way; | ||||
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 397 Reputation: 682 Rep Power: 18 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nottingham Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Salamun Alaykum
__________________It is important to note that whenever a Prophet seemed to have sinned, there was a great lesson involved which was a teaching placed there by Allah in order that the submissive would understand. Did not Allah declare His intention to the angels to put man in the earth? Allah had a divine plan. Allah had the torah, injeeel and the Quran with Him in all eternity. It is against the creed of the salaf to say that the Prophets sinned. This can be seen in Imam Abu Hanifahs al Fiqh ul Akbar. The Prophets will be indeed questioned, but it does not mean they will get punished, nor does it mean they are guilty. We believe in a fair Allah and we should believe that the hellfire is haraam for the Prophets. If somebody was to believe otherwise then i would not like to be in those shoes. I ask people not to bother me further on this. I have stopped posting on this forum due to a moderator purposly destroying one of my posts which took me an hour to write. She stole my time and effort. I had some sincere questions and she destroyed them under the pretext that there is another post simular to the one i have posted. She didnt even add it to the relevant thread, just totally deleted it! which was unmoderate! Therefore i will no longer post articles here. She will only waste my time further by destroying them too. my apologies people, Salamun Alaykum |
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