nation of islam

viking · **nation of islam -** 11-19-2007

i talk to a man online that was in the nation of islam and he said that arabs are fake and not the true muslims that only blacks can be muslims and he said that all not some but all white men are white devils what do you think about all this????

Aaron85 · **Re: nation of islam -** 11-19-2007

They are Nation Of Islam. They are not seen as true muslims by mainstream muslims. They twisted islam with some black nationalism and racism against non blacks. They also have new prophet Elija Muhammed i believe, but not sure though.

**Woodrow** · **Re: nation of islam -** 11-19-2007

The NOI are very distinct from Islam. Without going into detail, They are probably further from Islam than either Judaism or Christianity.

Nicro · **Re: nation of islam -** 11-19-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodrow

The NOI are very distinct from Islam. Without going into detail, They are probably further from Islam than either Judaism or Christianity.

Agreed.

Aaron85 · **Re: nation of islam -** 11-19-2007

I always wondered, In USA there are about 3 millions black muslims. Are they NOI or mainstream muslims? Or maybe some of them are NOI and rest are mainstream?

Nicro · **Re: nation of islam -** 11-19-2007

There are black muslims at my Masjid. But alot of time people will call " Black Muslims" instead of NOI. Not every black muslim is NOI.

**Muezzin** · **Re: nation of islam -** 11-19-2007

Nation of Islam is pretty weird. All this putting one race above another... complete anathema to Islamic teachings. Islam basically teaches that all races are equal in the eyes of Allah/God/Jehovah/'higher intelligence'.

I can understand the NOI's appeal among certain African Americans (that term is just strange, since it applies to people who haven't even been to Africa, neccessarily). But what the NOI teaches is still not right.

nevesirth · **Re: nation of islam -** 11-19-2007

do the NOI also observe the 5 salaat?

**Woodrow** · 11:39 PM

Black Muslim is a misnomer. They are Muslim, at least all I have met are.

However, I am aware that many NOI call themselves Muslim and some call themselves Black Muslims. It does lead to some confusion in trying to determine how many Muslims are in the USA. From my understanding the census figures are taken from attendance at Mosques. From what I have seen it is easy to seperate Masjid's from NOI Mosques as they call them "Nation of Islam Mosques"

The beliefs of the NOI do differ considerably from Islam.

Quote:

Although Farrakhan's organization claims to be the authentic Nation of Islam, there are three other organizations making this same claim. John Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad's blood brother, heads one, based in Detroit. A second organization is based in Atlanta and headed by Silas Muhammad. Emanuel Abdulla Muhammad established a third organization in Baltimore.

The most recognized of the four organizations is that founded by Louis Farrakhan.

Doctrine

I. The Nature of God

A. God is not Spirit, but a man.

"God is a man and we just cannot make Him other than man, least we make Him an inferior one... A spirit is subjected to us and not we to the spirit."13

"Allah came to us from the Holy City of Mecca, Arabia, in 1930. He used the name Wallace D. Fard, often signing it W. D. Fard.... He came alone."14

B. God is not eternal (He lives and dies)

"Well, we all know that there was a God in the beginning that created all these things and do know that He does not exist today. But we know again that from that God the person of God continued until today in His people, and today a Supreme One (God) has appeared among us with the same infinite wisdom to bring about a complete change."15

"There is no God Living Who was here in the Creation of the Universe, but They produce Gods from Them and Their Wisdom lives in us."16

C. God is one of many gods (Polytheism).

"The Black Man's Gods, according to the history He [Allah] taught me, have All been the Wisest."17

"Six thousand years ago, or to be more exact 6,600 years ago, as Allah taught me, our nation gave birth to another God whose name was Yacub."18

II. The Person of Christ

A. Christ was only a mortal man and a prophet, not God.

"He [Jesus] was nothing more than a prophet."19

"Making the Son and the Holy Ghost the equal with the Father is absolutely sinful."20

B. He did not rise from the dead.

"He [Jesus] was nothing more than a prophet, and he has gone back to the earth, never to return alive."21

"We know what happened to him 2,000 years ago. He cannot come back from the grave. He is not in heaven."22

III. The Bible

A. It is incomplete.

"The Bible in not all holy, nor is it all the Word of God!"23

B. It is a poison book.

"The Bible is now being called the Poison Book by God Himself, and who can deny that it is not poison? It has poisoned the very hearts and minds of the so-called Negroes so much that they can't agree with each other."24

"The Bible is the graveyard of my poor people (the so-called Negroes)... The Bible charges all of its Great Prophets with evil, it makes God guilty of an act of an act of adultery by charging Him with being the father of Mary's baby (Jesus), again it charges Noah and Lot with drunkenness, and Lot with getting children by his daughter. What a Poison Book"25

Because the above link is from a site that appears to be giving erroneous information about Islam, I will not post the link. However, if anyone has a bonafide need to have the link I will PM it to them.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

	(#1 (permalink))
viking Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 24 Reputation: 5 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Way of Life: Undisclosed	nation of islam - 11-19-2007 i talk to a man online that was in the nation of islam and he said that arabs are fake and not the true muslims that only blacks can be muslims and he said that all not some but all white men are white devils what do you think about all this????

	(#2 (permalink))
Aaron85 LI Oldskool Status: Online Posts: 1,550 Reputation: 2666 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: From Mars...To Sirius. Gender: Way of Life: Christian	Re: nation of islam - 11-19-2007 They are Nation Of Islam. They are not seen as true muslims by mainstream muslims. They twisted islam with some black nationalism and racism against non blacks. They also have new prophet Elija Muhammed i believe, but not sure though. __________________ Right from the beginning.

	(#3 (permalink))
Woodrow Abdullah Muhammad Status: Offline Posts: 11,206 Reputation: 58244 Rep Power: 99 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Minnesota Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: nation of islam - 11-19-2007 The NOI are very distinct from Islam. Without going into detail, They are probably further from Islam than either Judaism or Christianity. __________________

	(#5 (permalink))
Aaron85 LI Oldskool Status: Online Posts: 1,550 Reputation: 2666 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: From Mars...To Sirius. Gender: Way of Life: Christian	Re: nation of islam - 11-19-2007 I always wondered, In USA there are about 3 millions black muslims. Are they NOI or mainstream muslims? Or maybe some of them are NOI and rest are mainstream? __________________ Right from the beginning.

	(#6 (permalink))
Nicro Member Status: Offline Posts: 50 Reputation: 232 Rep Power: 8 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: nation of islam - 11-19-2007 There are black muslims at my Masjid. But alot of time people will call " Black Muslims" instead of NOI. Not every black muslim is NOI.

	(#7 (permalink))
Muezzin GET TO DA CHOPPA Status: Offline Posts: 9,010 Reputation: 26077 Rep Power: 63 Join Date: Jun 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: nation of islam - 11-19-2007 Nation of Islam is pretty weird. All this putting one race above another... complete anathema to Islamic teachings. Islam basically teaches that all races are equal in the eyes of Allah/God/Jehovah/'higher intelligence'. I can understand the NOI's appeal among certain African Americans (that term is just strange, since it applies to people who haven't even been to Africa, neccessarily). But what the NOI teaches is still not right. __________________ Pay a visit to the masters of might, magic and Monday mornings Fedora-sporting userpage 'Credit crunch sounds like a breakfast cereal'

	(#8 (permalink))
nevesirth ANA ISA ABDULLAH Status: Offline Posts: 568 Reputation: 1043 Rep Power: 12 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: fee baytee [somewhere in afrika] Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: nation of islam - 11-19-2007 do the NOI also observe the 5 salaat? __________________ http://nevesirth.darkbb.com