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Smile Re: Islam and Slavery - 04-02-2008

Sorry i took so long to reply, but i had been researching.

So, i have been reading all of your replies over and over again, and you all seem to be saying that Islam provided slaves with rights and tried to solve a social problem that had been there before Islam. But seriously don't take this to heart but do you guys know what the word "OXYMORON" means. By saying that Islam provided SLAVES with RIGHTS that is one of the biggest contradictions i have ever heard. If you provided a salve with rights it would not be a slave anymore that is agreeable right? Because you can never give a person half of the rights.

Also another point many of you are making is the fact that freeing all of the slaves would have destroyed the economy and created a large number of beggars, that is why Mohamed did not solve the problem immediately. Okay then let me get this straight he was willing to sacrifice a HUGE number of people's rights just so the rich and middle class could feed there families and would not have to pay workers and feed the poor.

Many of you will make the argument that this was a problem at the time and that a solution like that is a very modern thinking style, so if you make that argument are you admitting to the fact that Islam (which is a 110% perfect religion, according to Muslims) did not have an answer to solve this problem as well. If it does have a solution why was it not implemented immediately.

That is all i will say for now, if you cannot answer my answer so please do not give me an answer that has nothing to do with this topic.

Sorry if i have offended someone but a broken heart can never amount to a wasted life.

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p.s. I will be posting more questions relating parent-child relations towards Religion or Non Religion choices of the child.(Do not answer this parent-child question yet.) But feel free to reply the above inquiries.
   
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Well, The bible says something about slavery. Hang on
*gets bible out*

1 Timothy 6:1
All those who are under the yoke of slavery must have unqualified respect for their masters, so that the name of God and our teaching is not brought into disrepute.

Tt 2:9
Slaves must be obedient to their masters in everything, and do what is wanted without argument.

Tt 2:10
And there must be no pilfering.

Tt 2:10
They must show complete honesty at all times...

Tt 2:10
...so that they are a credit in every way to the teaching of God our Saviour.

1 Peter 2:18
Slaves, you should obey your masters respectfully, not only those who are kind and reasonable but also those who are difficult to please.

1 Corinthians 7:21
Even if you have a chance of freedom...

1 Corinthians 7:21
...you should prefer to make full use of your condition as a slave.

I do hope this is relevant.
SORRY "ol' Faith" but i couldn't resist. Reading your reply has made me confused, are you saying that Christianity SUPPORTS slavery because that would be atrocious and disgusting.

But seriously after i post this you will probably prove me wrong so i will not make any assumptions unless if i have to.

Happily awaiting your reply. Sorry if i take long to reply, its because i am currently busy with trying to make a smooth transition from High School to University.

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Asalam alaykum.
Well we isn't the correct word. Because many of us are going to reply in our opinion.So i will say I am speaking for myself.
We do consider racism to be a cruel action to be commiting but people do that, even muslims( terriosts as muslims more likely). I do not think anyone has the right to be racism against other culture and religons even if they have the wrong religon.
That is only my opinion.
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Many of you will make the argument that this was a problem at the time and that a solution like that is a very modern thinking style, so if you make that argument are you admitting to the fact that Islam (which is a 110% perfect religion, according to Muslims) did not have an answer to solve this problem as well. If it does have a solution why was it not implemented immediately.
Righty-Ohhhhh!

The thing with slavery was that it was very common in the arab world (before, during and after the Islamic period). What Islam did first and foremost was give them rights (this was a huge thing back then considering slaves were treated really badly) - they were more of servants as opposed to what we usually think of as slaves in terms of their rights, how they were treated and so on and so forth. To completely eradicate slavery would have taken time any attempt to do it immediately would not have yielded the ideal result (i.e NO SLAVERY)- it's pretty much the same deal with alcohol prohibition and it's interesting to note that where an instant prohibition was tried, it didn't work (America ----> moonshine, gangster era etc). In contrast, the Islamic ruling on alcohol went through stages and worked. So in a similar way, the ruling to slavery came about.

One important thing to note was that free men at the time could not be made into slaves and that slaves could become free men (I'm not 100% sure as to what they had to do to achieve this tho).

Now to readress the point about not immediate eradication. The people would not have accepted it (remember, slavery was almost like a cultural/traditional thing at the time - to change that one would have to take baby-steps to convince those carried it out; the first baby step was giving them rights - essentially turning them from slave to servant). The solution had to be progressive because of the situation.
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