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ok! next question!

As we know the Saheeh hadeeth is a the hadeeth that its chain of narration is connected by the transmittance of a narrator whom is Adl , Dhaabit onto one like them till the end of the isnad without any shududh or 3Illah.

So the question here is:
Can anyone give an explataion for the words in bold above?

Who is one who is 3adl?
Who is the Dhaabit?
What is a Definition of a Shaadh hadeeth?
What is an 3illah?

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Who is one who is 3adl?


One is trustworthy with a good character

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Who is the Dhaabit?


One with an excellent memory who recalls things with great accuracy.

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What is a Definition of a Shaadh hadeeth?


Isn't that a rare hadeeth, it contradicts with those that are more reliable and vast in their narration.

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What is an 3illah?


Hidden flaw, so it can affect the aunthenticity of a given hadeeth although it may seem to be removed from having any defects. If that makes sense, lol.

Don't know if the last 3 are right.

Wa eyakee
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Im still trying to find out wether the kitab has been translated or not and my ustadh said hasnt been translated . But I will try to ask my friend who have salafy bookstore insha Allah.
But seeing your answers guys, is it mustalahul hadith's book? Lets say if this book not translated yet, can I answer your questions using the other book? Such as "mustalahul hadith" by Mahmud Thahan, or my ustadhs mustalahul hadith's book, can I?
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But seeing your answers guys, is it mustalahul hadith's book? Lets say if this book not translated yet, can I answer your questions using the other book? Such as "mustalahul hadith" by Mahmud Thahan, or my ustadhs mustalahul hadith's book, can I?
Yes it's a book on Mustalah al-hadeeth Brother. I guess that you can answer the general questions using any Mustalah book. Insha'allah.

Princess I scanned you a few pages already right? Masha'allah Silver Pearl has already answered so perfectly, so give us the next question from the book okay?

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I didnt know if this is just quotes from the 'book' so I didnt respond but it seems to be a free for all.

Isnad or Sanad is linguistically something that props something up, within our discussion it is the chain of narration part of the hadith which informs those who took part in it's narration.

A comment on the Isnad, Ibn Sireen who died in 110 tells us that people did not used to ask who narrated such and such until the fitnah, the fitnah being reffered to is disputed but of course it would have to be a fitnah before his death. So we know that after that fitnah then people demanded to know, but this does not tell us that before the fitnah people didnt ask or people didnt name the narrators, but rather, that before the fitnah it was not as necccesary but after the people really started the early task of testing the chain of narration.

Hadith, linguisiticall is news or something new information, it is meanly used to refer to the Prophet's speech or actions or tacid approvals.

I do not know the isnads mainly cos the english writers do not write them!! Argh!!
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I didnt know if this is just quotes from the 'book' so I didnt respond but it seems to be a free for all.

Isnad or Sanad is linguistically something that props something up, within our discussion it is the chain of narration part of the hadith which informs those who took part in it's narration.

A comment on the Isnad, Ibn Sireen who died in 110 tells us that people did not used to ask who narrated such and such until the fitnah, the fitnah being reffered to is disputed but of course it would have to be a fitnah before his death. So we know that after that fitnah then people demanded to know, but this does not tell us that before the fitnah people didnt ask or people didnt name the narrators, but rather, that before the fitnah it was not as necccesary but after the people really started the early task of testing the chain of narration.

Hadith, linguisiticall is news or something new information, it is meanly used to refer to the Prophet's speech or actions or tacid approvals.

I do not know the isnads mainly cos the english writers do not write them!! Argh!!
Masha'allah Akhi! that was a really accurate explanation of the meaning of Isnad and Hadeeth.

This thread is about Mustalah, but we are following the book which is like considered to be the 'beginners guide' to Mustalah, so there will be referrals to particular sentences etc. in the Book, but insha'allah even those who dont have it can participate Since all mustalah terms are the same.

So...

Since we are going to be analyzing the book Verse by Verse of this Poem, I will post up the verses which we have already studied:


أَبدَأُ بِالْحَمْدِ مُصَلِّياً عـــــــــــــــــــــــــَلَى
وذِي مِنْ أَقْسَامِ الحَدِيثِ عــــــــــــــِدَّة
أَوَّلُها الصَّحيحُ وهْوَ ما اتَّصــــــــــــــــلْ
يرْوِيهِ عَدْلٌ ضَابطٌ عَنْ مــِثــــــــــــلهِ


The ones in Red are the Ones being Questioned right now.

Sis Silver Pearl already gave the Definition of the meaning of one who is Dhaabit masha'allah as :One with an excellent memory who recalls things with great accuracy.

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So now the Question is :

How many types of 'Dhaabit' are there? And the explanation of them please.

   
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How many types of 'Dhaabit' are there? And the explanation of them please.
Ad-dhabt - linguistically means securing, and here it means strentgh in memorization, being precise and detailed being aware and havin good undertandin of the matters and also protectin what was written 9by a narrator) from the moment he heard it and carried it forth until the time of of puberty.

There are two types of Adh-dhabt:

-Dhabt Kitaab..

- & Dhabt Sadr.

Dhabt as-Sadr (precision/preservance of the chest) is when the narrator memorises and portects whatever he hears and he can bring it forth whenever he wills.

and Dhabtul-Kitaab is to protect the book his narrations in his book from the time he wrote until he passes it on, and not to pas it on to someone who will not protect it or distort it in any way,
it is also possible for this person to change somethings around.

Hope i have'nt missed anythin out InshaAllah...


Next question people , based on this part of the poem:

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و الحسن المعروف طرقا و غدت **** رجاله ﻻ كالصحيح اشتهرت


Hasan Is that who's chain of transmission are repute ..

Though it's narrators are not as renowned as thos of the saheeh
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Q: What is the correct defintion of a hadeeth that is Hasan, give me one example (of a hadeeth that's hasan) and state the reason as to why it is so!!

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Q: What is the correct defintion of a hadeeth that is Hasan, give me one example (of a hadeeth that's hasan) and state the reason as to why it is so!!

Allah Ma'akum!

btw: nice to see so many participants MashaAllah.

Naam, linguistically hasan means good, or in Indo its name of my neighbour . And then Ibn Hajar said that hadith hasan actually fullfills the condition of hadith sahih except that the precision of one or more of its rawi just lesser standard. It is the same as for sahih but its just below hadith sahih in strength. (Is it correct?)

Next question: "What is the definition of hadith hasan li dhaatihi and li ghairihi?
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Masha'allah Princess!!

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BTw I didn't get to scan the rest of the book to you, I was in a rush

Okay peoples, answer!!

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Next question: "What is the definition of hadith hasan li dhaatihi and li ghairihi?
Nice answer Akhi.

But just to let you know that we are not just asking random Mustalah questions, We're asking according to the order of the Book.

amirah_87 already gave the next Question

   
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Ups.....the example???.......Mmmmm...I dont remember But its the hadith that harokah hizbut tahrir denied for aqidah ajee laah Maybe sis Nawal can give one or ten examples insha Allah
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Q: What is the correct defintion of a hadeeth that is Hasan, give me one example (of a hadeeth that's hasan) and state the reason as to why it is so!!



Hasan means good, beautiful in terms of it linquistically.


Ad-Dahabi stated the following as to what hasan hadeeth is: " A hassan is a hadith which excels daif but, nevertheless, does not reach the standard of sahih hadeeth.” But it is agreed on that in order for a hadeeth to be classed as hasan it must not have any irregularities.

Malik, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi and al-Hakim reported “A single rider is a devil (disobedient), two riders are two devils, but three makes a travelling party.”

The reason this hadeeth is considered hasan is because its isnad falls short for a saheeh hadeeth and thus can not be classified to the level of saheeh whilst it is above daeef.

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Hasan means good, beautiful in terms of it linquistically.


Ad-Dahabi stated the following as to what hasan hadeeth is: " A hassan is a hadith which excels daif but, nevertheless, does not reach the standard of sahih hadeeth.” But it is agreed on that in order for a hadeeth to be classed as hasan it must not have any irregularities.
Yes, that's the definition of a Hasan Hadeeth, in Al-Bayqooniyyah there is another definition and it is :

A Hadeeth whose chain of narration is joined by the narration of one who is 'Adl but of a lesser level of Dhabt (precision)from one like him, and it (the chain) is without irregularites and faults.

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Malik, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi and al-Hakim reported “A single rider is a devil (disobedient), two riders are two devils, but three makes a travelling party.”

The reason this hadeeth is considered hasan is because its isnad falls short for a saheeh hadeeth and thus can not be classified to the level of saheeh whilst it is above daeef.

Wa allahu'3llim
Another example of a Hasan Hadeeth is the Hadeeth of Abu Hurairah, He said that Rasulullah said : "Increase in the saying of Laa Ilaaha Illallah before something comes between you and (saying) it, and do Talqeen with it to those of you who are close to death"

The reason why the Isnaad of this hadeeth is Hasan is because in it is Dhimaam bin Ismaa'eel.

An-Nasaa'i said concerning him : Laa ba'sa bihi (He is not bad)

Al-Haafidh ibn Hajar said concerning him : Sadooq wa rubbama Akhta' (Trustworthy, but May have made some mistakes)

Abi Haatim said : Sadooq Muta'3abbid (Trustworthy and a devout worshipper)

So if someone like him appears in a hadeeth, it does not cause the hadeeth to become weak, but it does cause the hadeeth to have a lower status than Saheeh.

Okay next question!:

وكلُّ ما عَن رُتْبَةِ الحُسْنِ قَصــــــــُر
فهو الضّعِيفُ وهْوَ أَقْسَاماً كُثرْ


This verse is concerning the Dha'eef (weak) hadeeth, So what is the definition of a weak Hadeeth and an example of a weak hadeeth please?




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