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| al-Athariyyah Status: Offline Posts: 7,580 Reputation: 31261 Rep Power: 68 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ~ Daar as-Sa'aadah ~ Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | When a transmitter is named vaguely such as rajul (man) or ibn fulan (son of so and so) particularly when a father is not well known? As to unawareness of the narrator it is, as well, a reason for faulting the Hadeeth since once his name and identity are unknown his state is unknown and whether he is trustworthy or untrustworthy like his saying “a man told me” and “a sheikh informed me” And this is called Mubham and the Hadeeth of the Mubham is not accepted unless he is a sahaabi; because they are ‘Udool. If the Mubhim brings words that indicate ‘Adaalah like saying “an upright person informed me” or “a trustworthy person told me” there is a difference of opinion. That which is more correct is that it is not accepted because he could be upright in the persons view not in reality, but if a well-versed Imam says it, it is accepted. Right? Edit: It's spelt like this right? مُبْهَمًا ![]() |
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| Patience is the Key Status: Offline Posts: 4,257 Reputation: 15255 Rep Power: 42 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Currently in Malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | ^ Masha'allah correct Umm Abdullah!
__________________But we still need the different types now? As'alullah an yubaarik Feekum |
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Ameen, wa JazaakAllaahu khayral jazaa' for the recitation Akhee! | |
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| Patience is the Key Status: Offline Posts: 4,257 Reputation: 15255 Rep Power: 42 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Currently in Malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
Inside Bayqooniyyah it gives two types of Mubhamd : 1) Mubham al-Matn (Text) e.g. Hadeeth of Ibn Abbas : A man said to Rasulullah "Ya Rasullah! Is the Hajj prescribed every year?......" 2) Mubham as-Sanad e.g. Hadeeth of Raafi' bin Khadeej from his Uncle concerning the forbiddance of Mukhaabarah...... So here his uncle is unknown. That's what you wanted Princess? | |
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| al-Athariyyah Status: Offline Posts: 7,580 Reputation: 31261 Rep Power: 68 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ~ Daar as-Sa'aadah ~ Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Genius! Next question. ![]() |
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| Patience is the Key Status: Offline Posts: 4,257 Reputation: 15255 Rep Power: 42 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Currently in Malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | You fine Umm Abdullah?
__________________Okay next Question : The next two verses are : وكُلُّ مَا قَلَّتْ رِجَالُه عَـــــــــــــــــــــلا وَضِدُّهُ ذَاكَ الذِي قدْ نَـــــــــــزَلا I want to know, what is the Meaning when we say a Particular Hadeeth has an 'Aali (high) chain of narration? And also, what does it mean when we say that a Hadeeth has a Naazil (lower) chain of narration? |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 7,320 Reputation: 18127 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 16°53'39.06"N 43°48'5.35"E Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
Naah that ain't what i wanted.. but this is something else, I think the types I stated are in Baa'ith al-hateeth. hmm! .. la ba's. | |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 7,320 Reputation: 18127 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 16°53'39.06"N 43°48'5.35"E Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
These two took me a while to get when i was studyin them cause they're like the opposite of what they are? lol well anyways.. The Isnaad that is 'Aali/ High in it's chain of narrators means that there are a few narrators in this chain so the number of the rijaal are closer to the prophet 'alayhis-salaam or to one of them Imaams. and the Isnaad that is: Naazil/ lower in its chain of narrators. is the opposite of that ; meaning there are more narrators in its sanad. | |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 7,320 Reputation: 18127 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 16°53'39.06"N 43°48'5.35"E Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Next question: Give an example of a chain that is 'aali/high in its chain of narrators & one that is Naazil/ low in its chain of narrators. & it can't be one's that have been made up.. search for the real ones ;) |
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| LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 1,863 Reputation: 9813 Rep Power: 32 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a village. Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I didnt have time to do any revision One comes to my mind, but nto from bayquniyyah tho. Isnad Aali : from A'mash, From Abi Waaíl, From Ibn masúd. As for naazil i remember anything atm |
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