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Default Re: Revision - Al-Mandhoomatul Bayqooniyyah - 03-08-2007

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The third type of tadlees is tadlees at taswiyah.
It is when a narrator narrates something from his sheikh, and then he drops a weak narrator between two men whom are both thiqah and met each other. The most known person for doing this type of tadlees is baqiyyah ibnul waleed.
( i hope thats clear )

How come we're skipping lessons? Isnt it Mubham after Mu3an3an? tadlees comes later on :P.

Ok so next question, what is the Mubham, and what are its types?
Mubham means obscure.

If one of the transmitter of the Hadith is not named then the Hadith is called "obscure" (mubham).

I don't know the types at the moment.
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When a transmitter is named vaguely such as rajul (man) or ibn fulan (son of so and so) particularly when a father is not well known?

As to unawareness of the narrator it is, as well, a reason for faulting the Hadeeth since once his name and identity are unknown his state is unknown and whether he is trustworthy or untrustworthy like his saying “a man told me” and “a sheikh informed me”

And this is called Mubham and the Hadeeth of the Mubham is not accepted unless he is a sahaabi; because they are ‘Udool.

If the Mubhim brings words that indicate ‘Adaalah like saying “an upright person informed me” or “a trustworthy person told me” there is a difference of opinion.

That which is more correct is that it is not accepted because he could be upright in the persons view not in reality, but if a well-versed Imam says it, it is accepted.

Right?

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It's spelt like this right?

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^ Masha'allah correct Umm Abdullah!



But we still need the different types now?

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But we still need the different types now?


1) Mubhamun Jaliyy.

2) Mubhamun Khafiyy..

I'm not too sure on that though, I havent revised so Dalaa dalaaa' if it's wrong tayyib?

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1) Mubhamun Jaliyy.

2) Mubhamun Khafiyy..

I'm not too sure on that though, I havent revised so Dalaa dalaaa' if it's wrong tayyib?

but if it's right, next question:

Define the two types above?


Inside Bayqooniyyah it gives two types of Mubhamd :

1) Mubham al-Matn (Text) e.g. Hadeeth of Ibn Abbas : A man said to Rasulullah "Ya Rasullah! Is the Hajj prescribed every year?......"

2) Mubham as-Sanad e.g. Hadeeth of Raafi' bin Khadeej from his Uncle concerning the forbiddance of Mukhaabarah......

So here his uncle is unknown.

That's what you wanted Princess?
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Genius! It's so simple, yet so brilliant. Ok i'm just a bit hyper.

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You fine Umm Abdullah?

Okay next Question :

The next two verses are :

وكُلُّ مَا قَلَّتْ رِجَالُه عَـــــــــــــــــــــلا
وَضِدُّهُ ذَاكَ الذِي قدْ نَـــــــــــزَلا


I want to know, what is the Meaning when we say a Particular Hadeeth has an 'Aali (high) chain of narration?

And also, what does it mean when we say that a Hadeeth has a Naazil (lower) chain of narration?
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Inside Bayqooniyyah it gives two types of Mubhamd :

1) Mubham al-Matn (Text) e.g. Hadeeth of Ibn Abbas : A man said to Rasulullah "Ya Rasullah! Is the Hajj prescribed every year?......"

2) Mubham as-Sanad e.g. Hadeeth of Raafi' bin Khadeej from his Uncle concerning the forbiddance of Mukhaabarah......

So here his uncle is unknown.

That's what you wanted Princess?


Naah that ain't what i wanted.. but this is something else, I think the types I stated are in Baa'ith al-hateeth. hmm! .. la ba's.
   
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You fine Umm Abdullah?

Okay next Question :

The next two verses are :

وكُلُّ مَا قَلَّتْ رِجَالُه عَـــــــــــــــــــــلا
وَضِدُّهُ ذَاكَ الذِي قدْ نَـــــــــــزَلا


I want to know, what is the Meaning when we say a Particular Hadeeth has an 'Aali (high) chain of narration?

And also, what does it mean when we say that a Hadeeth has a Naazil (lower) chain of narration?


These two took me a while to get when i was studyin them cause they're like the opposite of what they are? lol well anyways..

The Isnaad that is 'Aali/ High in it's chain of narrators means that there are a few narrators in this chain so the number of the rijaal are closer to the prophet 'alayhis-salaam or to one of them Imaams.

and the Isnaad that is: Naazil/ lower in its chain of narrators. is the opposite of that ; meaning there are more narrators in its sanad.

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Next question:

Give an example of a chain that is 'aali/high in its chain of narrators & one that is Naazil/ low in its chain of narrators.

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I didnt have time to do any revision

One comes to my mind, but nto from bayquniyyah tho. Isnad Aali :

from A'mash, From Abi Waaíl, From Ibn masúd.
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