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| al-Athariyyah Status: Offline Posts: 7,580 Reputation: 31261 Rep Power: 68 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ~ Daar as-Sa'aadah ~ Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | It is if the Hadeeth has an omission from the end of the chain; then if it is after the the Taabi’ee is Mursal, and this action Irsaal, like the Taabi’ee saying “The messenger of Allah, prayers and peace be upon him said…”
__________________Mursal ahadith are da'eef in principle, since we do not know the person from whom the tabi'ee related from is a sahabi. Although there is some ikhtilaaf on this issue, as there is an opinion that they are saheeh on the condition that the tabi'ee is thiqqa, and also a third opinion which is somewhere in between the two - that it is accepted after certain other conditions are met. Sorry if I don't make sense, and I messed it all up. ![]() |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 7,320 Reputation: 18127 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 16°53'39.06"N 43°48'5.35"E Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I'm sorry for not postin in earlier.. I thought either Maw or Naw would get to it but... Anyways that's correct sis.. I'll try my bestest to go into detail about the ikhtilaaf of the mursal as-sahaabah later on.. next question ukhity: Give an example of a hadeeth that is Mursal, and explain where the ommision occured? Wal-laah yubaarik feek. |
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| Hayaatul Islaam Status: Offline Posts: 979 Reputation: 15590 Rep Power: 42 Join Date: Apr 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | ‘No marriage is valid except by the consent of the guardian,’ Al-Khatib gives two Isnad going back to Shu`bah and Sufyaan al-Thauuri. I don’t remember the rest of the Isnad but I know Abu Burdah is the successor whom narrated directly from the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) hence why it has been credited as being a Mursal? .: Purifying Intentions :. Quote:
وَقُل رَّبِّ زِدْنِي عِلْمًا | |
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| a.k.a ruwaydah Status: Offline Posts: 2,155 Reputation: 7071 Rep Power: 28 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: eerrmmmm hmmm Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | If the link between the Successor and the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) is missing, the hadith is mursal ("hurried"), e.g. when a Successor says, "The Prophet said ...". *additional info However, if a link anywhere before the Successor (i.e. closer to the traditionist recording the hadith) is missing, the hadith is munqati' ("broken"). This applies even if there is an apparent link, e.g. an isnad seems to be muttasil ("continuous") but one of the reporters is known to have never heard ahadith from his immediate authority, even though he may be his contemporary. The term munqati' is also applied by some scholars to a narration such as where a reporter says, "a man narrated to me ...", without naming this authority. If the number of consecutive missing reporters in the isnad exceeds one, the isnad is mu'dal ("perplexing"). If the reporter omits the whole isnad and quotes the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, directly (i.e. the link is missing at the beginning, unlike the case with a mursal isnad), the hadith is called mu'allaq ("hanging") - sometimes it is known as balaghah ("to reach"); for example, Imam Malik sometimes says in Al-Muwatta', "It reached me that the Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) said ..." |
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| a.k.a ruwaydah Status: Offline Posts: 2,155 Reputation: 7071 Rep Power: 28 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: eerrmmmm hmmm Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
“No marriage is valid except by the consent of the guardian”; Al-Khatib gives two isnads going back to Shu`bah and Sufyan Ath-Thawri; the remainder of each isnad is: Sufyan Ath-Thawri and Shu`bah --- Abu Ishaq --- Abu Burdah --- the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). This isnad is mursal because Abu Burdah, a Successor, narrates directly from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). | |
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| a.k.a ruwaydah Status: Offline Posts: 2,155 Reputation: 7071 Rep Power: 28 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: eerrmmmm hmmm Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | this is my first attempt of joinin this thread *tnx to faiza*, but no one is payin no attention next quetsion teachers |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 7,320 Reputation: 18127 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 16°53'39.06"N 43°48'5.35"E Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | MashaAllah, that's correct sisters.. Next question: what is the ruling of the "mursal as-sahaabiy"? |
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| al-Athariyyah Status: Offline Posts: 7,580 Reputation: 31261 Rep Power: 68 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ~ Daar as-Sa'aadah ~ Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Just want to say... i'm out. ![]() |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 7,320 Reputation: 18127 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 16°53'39.06"N 43°48'5.35"E Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Shaheedahh!! *sobs* why?? why you gonna leave me here all alone with mean maw!! Lol, I really reaally appreciate the contribution that you've put into this thread . We wouldnt have gotten this far without you Ukhtee sa7eee7!! ( and Pearly n' Ruwaydah). ... Knowing us, We'd probably still be on Saheeh, Hasan & Dha'eef!! Jazaakillaahu Khayr for all the effort and hardwork you've put in to this. Much aprectiated, hope you can pop your head in once ina while atleast? *InshaAllah* Jazaakillaahu Khayral Jazaa' wa As'al-Allaahu an Yazeeduki 'ilman naafi'an. Take Care Sis ;) |
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| Patience is the Key Status: Offline Posts: 4,257 Reputation: 15255 Rep Power: 42 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Currently in Malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Oh why oh why, you've left me alone with *cough*Princess??? But Jazakillah khair for all the effort you've put in the thread, masha'allah, you might just be our next Muhadditha Princess check out this link I found for the Matn of the Bayqooniyyah, it's by a little boy though http://www.islamway.com/?iw_s=Lesson...&lesson_id=446 |
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