Wa Alaikumussalaam Wa Warhmatulaahi Wa Barakatuh

I didn't say Akhi, I was simply listening to a Q and a tape by Shaikh Al-Albani and I was sharing with everyone what he (may Allah have mercy on him) said. It’s a bit impossible for me to provide you with reference, forgive me.


Of course Akhi the 'ulimah deduce the rulings and conculsion for us, our knowledge compared to them is nothing. Here we are not talking about the 'Ulimah not using evidence from Qur'an and Sunnah, we are simply saying take the strongest evidence.

the links don't work for me, but i admit i am looking for some fairly clear and simple answers - not to read a book or listen to a lot of lectures.
this may be my mistake - i am looking for a fairly concise answer to some very complex questions?
what you have said above makes sense if a person has little time. but is he just to read what so and so say or is he supposed to think about it, possibly even question it and see how it relates to other things he has read?
at some point, isn't he responsible for himself and his actions? or is he just to give that responsibility to someone else? (again,for this purpose, we must assume that he is capable.)
my basic question could be summed up this way:
in islam, is a person supposed to question or just follow? (always being clear about his intent). what is his responsibility before his creator?

I think you mean "Them" ukhti LOL.

Insha'allah can provide the link to the Q & A tape, I would like to study it myself as I have much to learn. I agree that we should take the strongest opinion.
When you say we do not follow the Majority of scholars but we follow the evidence provided in Qur'an and Sunnah it implies that the majority of the scholars is not using the the Qur'an and Sunnah. This is why I put forward the questions I did. And I have reasons to disagree because the Majority is upon Qur'an and sunnah.

Wa alaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
May Allah(SWT) guide upon the Seeratul Mustaqeem.


I believe so LOL

You are supposed to question to a limit. For example once you verified and confirmed that a doctor specialises in a certain field you who is unqualified and uneducated will accept his opinion and prescriptions. Even if he explained it to you, due to you lack of understanding of his fields entirety, you will not understand why he has reached the conclusion he has.

late last night i began to read ullama iqbal and i think i will have more
questions. i don't know if any here are familiar with his thought....

may i ask why we can't discuss this?
i promise in advance that i will not argue, as i didn't start this thread to argue, but to learn.
but curiousity is getting the better of me.
thanks.

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatulaah WnbSlveOfAllah

Jazakallahu Khayr for the correction. In no way was I implying the Majority does not follow Qur'an and Sunnah subhan Allah, I am sorry if it seemed that way. I was talking about following the strongest evidence.

Sadly, I don't have a link to the Q & A tape. I didn't listen to it online.

Hi Snakelegs

I know you mean well however, we’ve had exhausting discussions on madhabs before on the forum I am sure you can remember and they didn’t go down to well, so it is best to avoid these discussions.

If you want I can PM you some stuff.

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

Shukran for clearing the misunderstanding up, if you do come accross the Q & A then do let me know anytime Insh'allah.


You can PM it too me too if you want insha'allah thus contributing towards a better understanding. I have much to learn.

Jazak Allah khair for your efforts ukhti.

Some thing that should be noted is the hadith:

According to a hadith in Sahih Muslim (Book 30, Number 6159):

Narrated Aisha: A person asked Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) as to who amongst the people were the best. He said: Of the generation to which I belong, then of the second generation (generation adjacent to my generation), then of the third generation (generation adjacent to the second generation).

Therefore the best have passed us already and we should refer to those before us as the Sahabas, the Tabi'ins and the Tabi-Tabi'ins.

and when one compared a Sahabah about whom there was some contreversy to a tabi'in who had great reputations:
Hadrat 'Abdullah ibn Mubarak, one of the prominent among the Taba' at-Tabiin, said, 'The dust that entered the nose of Hadrat Muawiya's (radi-Allahu ta'ala 'anh) horse while he was riding beside Rasulullah was more beneficial than Uwais al-Qarani and 'Umar ibn 'Abd al-'Aziz.'

Therefore the best have past before us, and all we can do is hold on to what they held onto. We rely on the Ulema to preserve it for us, and we then rely on them to break it down for us due to our lack of knowledge.

Wa Alaikumussalaam Wa Rahmatulaahi Wa Barakatuh

Insha Allah.

Of course Insha Allah.

thanks for all your comments - does anyone else have an opinion/comments on this subject? would like as to know the thoughts of as many as possible on this subject, which i find very interesting.
i've downloaded the book WnbSlveOfAllah mentioned - haven't had time to read it, but it looks like it may answer some of my questions. hope i can get to it fairly soon. i am sort of overwhelmed with stuff at the moment.
sometimes it is frustrating that there is so little time and so much i want to learn about a lot of different things, but that's life, i guess. we probably all have that problem. what else is new?
p.s. Al-Mu'minah, please don't forget me.

We do follow the majority of scholars i.e consensus of scholars. But the question is when?

One has to understand Usul-Fiqh for this, Islams main authority is the Quran however if it is not found in it we turn to the Sunnah of our Prophet in other words the Hadith, if the scholars are still left without an answer they resort to Qiyaas (analogy) and the consensus of the scholars. Due to the general meaning of the Hadith

"Verily Allah will not make my community -- or Muhammad's community -- agree on error, and Allah's hand is with the largest congregation." Tirmidhi said: "And the meaning of "jama`a" according to the people of knowledge is: the people of jurisprudence, learning, and hadith."

"When a matter is not specifically addressed by the Qur’ân or Sunnah, its ruling might be deduced from an explicit ruling on a similar matter by way of analogy. Another ruling might be a matter of juristic consensus. Because of this, there is no circumstance or contingency that cannot be addressed by Islamic law using the principles of Islamic legal theory."[Shaykh`Alî Bâdahdah]

"The consensus of the Ummah on any thing is a valid proof that should be applied, because Allah [may He be Glorified] did not command us to return to His Book except when there is a difference regarding anything. Whatever the Ummah agreed upon should therefore be adopted because the entire Ummah cannot agree on an error or on something that contradicts the rulings of the Book of Allah or the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace be upon him)."[Tafsir Ibn Sa'di p. 699]

thanks for your reply.
who determines what is the majority? and how does a person find out?

i'm not sure if you've read this whole thread or not - so i wanted to give you a specific example.
sometimes a person here will say on a certain subject: "well, there is difference of opinion among the scholars on this".
and then others will say, "yes, but the majority say...."
how does anyone know or find out if this is so?

The majority of opinion is based upon the views of prominent scholars even in the past big scholars have always known of eachother and usually when difference of opinion is mentioned some of the names of the scholars are mentioned, so its not a case of just brushing things of by saying the majority of scholars etc.

of course, the scholars know but how is the average muslim seeking guidance supposed to know?

I could have sworn I told you, already, via rep system message after repeated deletions of my messages in this thread (probably to avoid argument with trolls), If not I'll do it again thru PM

wa salaam