Going abroad to Learn about the deen

anonymous · **Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 12-22-2007

Assalamualaikum

I am a sister and I wish to study Islamic Studies. I have found a course in SOAS university, it is in London, however in the third year it is compulsory for the student to go to abroad either Damascus or Alexandria, as I am a sister how will I be able to go islamically.

Jazakhallah for reading my thread, may Allah (swt) guide us all and help us to become STRONG muslims, inshallah, ameen.

amirah_87 · **Re: Going abroad to Leand about the deen -** 12-23-2007

*Thread approved*

adeeb · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 12-24-2007

just go abroad and seek knowledge, but don't forget to go with your mahram such as your father or your brother...

coz the prophet has said, for women that want to go more that 3 nights must go with her mahram...

thinktank · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 12-26-2007

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Originally Posted by anonymous

Assalamualaikum

I am a sister and I wish to study Islamic Studies. I have found a course in SOAS university, it is in London, however in the third year it is compulsory for the student to go to abroad either Damascus or Alexandria, as I am a sister how will I be able to go islamically.

Jazakhallah for reading my thread, may Allah (swt) guide us all and help us to become STRONG muslims, inshallah, ameen.

this a difficult predicament, i know some other people in this situation.

However id like to point out, the going abroad part in the course is NOT compulsory, they advise you to go but cannot make it compulsory on a course as not going would mean you fail it, and therefore they can't do that to you, hence its not and cant be compulsory.

the best solution is to go with a mahram, but that understandbly is a different challenge, i dont know of many people who have mahrams that can accompany them abroad usually for a year whilst they study.

i think a this is the time for a scholarly intervention, insha'allah seek the advice and counsel of a scholar who can advise you properly. Be aware the answer you want may not be given, from experience alot of scholars say you cant go because this knowledge isnt fardh on you, if it was its a different question. its a very trickey situation, may allah make it easy for you

Barakah921 · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 12-29-2007

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Originally Posted by anonymous

Assalamualaikum

I am a sister and I wish to study Islamic Studies. I have found a course in SOAS university, it is in London, however in the third year it is compulsory for the student to go to abroad either Damascus or Alexandria, as I am a sister how will I be able to go islamically.

Jazakhallah for reading my thread, may Allah (swt) guide us all and help us to become STRONG muslims, inshallah, ameen.

i have studied a similar course at the university of manchester. arabic and islamic studies. at manchester university, thre are 2 programmes for this course. a 3 year course which doesnt require you to go abroad. and a 4 year course which requires you to go egypt for the 3rd year. the 1st 2 years of both the course is exactly the same.

i think SOAS has a similar programme structure? if you cant go abroad due to mahram issues and you really want to do the course, then id suggest you do a similar course at another university if SOAS doesnt provide.

alhamsulillah Allah swt has provided other avenues for us in seeking knowledge.

by the way the islamic studies they teach you at university isnt all that, i did it for 3 years and lets just say alhamdulillah i obtained my foundations in Islam through studying from Islamic organisations. at university they take an oriental approach and therefore will not teach you from quran and sunnah. they just look at the western approach to studying Islam.

alhamdulillah the arabic side of it was good, but its better to learn arabic through arabic and NOT english. if that makes sense.

Silver Pearl · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 12-29-2007

I wouldn't encourage you to go Alexandria, having had the pleasure of going there, it is absolutely beautiful Masha'Allaah but not what you would expect from a muslim country. The men have wondering eyes (so to speak) and it is safer to go with somebody. It isn't easy being alone in a foreign country. Also 3miyyah is very much different from Fus'7a and if the university intends to teach you classical arabic it will not be that helpful when you get to Egypt. I don't know about Damascus. Also as Barakah mentioned it is best to be taught arabic in arabic otherwise you'll progress very slowly.

Insha'Allaah pray istikhara then tawakkal 3lal-llaah.

**Maimunah** · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 12-29-2007

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Originally Posted by Silver Pearl

I wouldn't encourage you to go Alexandria, having had the pleasure of going there, it is absolutely beautiful Masha'Allaah but not what you would expect from a muslim country. The men have wondering eyes (so to speak) and it is safer to go with somebody. It isn't easy being alone in a foreign country. Also 3miyyah is very much different from Fus'7a and if the university intends to teach you classical arabic it will not be that helpful when you get to Egypt. I don't know about Damascus. Also as Barakah mentioned it is best to be taught arabic in arabic otherwise you'll progress very slowly.

Insha'Allaah pray istikhara then tawakkal 3lal-llaah.

subhanalah.

i would advice you to go wiv a mahram inshaAllah. just speak to a scholar and inshaAllah u will get an answer.

Barakah921 · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 12-29-2007

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Originally Posted by Silver Pearl

The men have wondering eyes (so to speak).

isnt it strange you get alot of that in 'Muslim countries' and less in the west?

bangladesh, pakistan, dubia, saudi, egypt... seen it all there..

Makky · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 12-29-2007

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Originally Posted by Maimunah

subhanalah.

i would advice you to go wiv a mahram inshaAllah. just speak to a scholar and inshaAllah u will get an answer.

If she has a mahram then it's haram to travel alone.

chosen · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 12-29-2007

i thought that women in islam were encouraged to excel in studies the same way men are..why should there be religious programs that a man can do and not a women..some women can not get relatives to travel with them..if it is okay with her family and okay with her and the school..why should there be any problem..

Ghira · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 01-26-2008

Get married then go...

true believer · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 03-01-2008

manshalla, sis on studying da deen.
if u can, try to go to islamic countries
and u have to go wiz a mahram btw
may Allah reward u for all ur struggle and effort!

**Al Habeshi** · **Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen -** 03-01-2008

If you are still waiting around instead of not doing the course then why not do a diploma? Better than nothing, right?

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anonymous LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 1,101 Reputation: 626 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Nov 2005 Way of Life: Undisclosed	Going abroad to Learn about the deen - 12-22-2007 Assalamualaikum I am a sister and I wish to study Islamic Studies. I have found a course in SOAS university, it is in London, however in the third year it is compulsory for the student to go to abroad either Damascus or Alexandria, as I am a sister how will I be able to go islamically. Jazakhallah for reading my thread, may Allah (swt) guide us all and help us to become STRONG muslims, inshallah, ameen.

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adeeb Way to paradise Status: Offline Posts: 427 Reputation: 925 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indonesia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen - 12-24-2007 just go abroad and seek knowledge, but don't forget to go with your mahram such as your father or your brother... coz the prophet has said, for women that want to go more that 3 nights must go with her mahram...

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Silver Pearl Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 882 Reputation: 11219 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Apr 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen - 12-29-2007 I wouldn't encourage you to go Alexandria, having had the pleasure of going there, it is absolutely beautiful Masha'Allaah but not what you would expect from a muslim country. The men have wondering eyes (so to speak) and it is safer to go with somebody. It isn't easy being alone in a foreign country. Also 3miyyah is very much different from Fus'7a and if the university intends to teach you classical arabic it will not be that helpful when you get to Egypt. I don't know about Damascus. Also as Barakah mentioned it is best to be taught arabic in arabic otherwise you'll progress very slowly. Insha'Allaah pray istikhara then tawakkal 3lal-llaah.

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chosen LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 148 Reputation: 369 Rep Power: 4 Join Date: Nov 2007 Way of Life: Undisclosed	Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen - 12-29-2007 i thought that women in islam were encouraged to excel in studies the same way men are..why should there be religious programs that a man can do and not a women..some women can not get relatives to travel with them..if it is okay with her family and okay with her and the school..why should there be any problem..

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Ghira LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 310 Reputation: 1188 Rep Power: 9 Join Date: Apr 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen - 01-26-2008 Get married then go... __________________ Ummah Films <----Watch and support Kalamullah ----Excellent website Understand Quran Easy way "' al-Ilm Imamul 'amal" "Knowledge is the Imam of Action"

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true believer Member Status: Offline Posts: 72 Reputation: 106 Rep Power: 5 Join Date: Nov 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen - 03-01-2008 manshalla, sis on studying da deen. if u can, try to go to islamic countries and u have to go wiz a mahram btw may Allah reward u for all ur struggle and effort!

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Al Habeshi Eesa Abdullah Status: Offline Posts: 5,722 Reputation: 21052 Rep Power: 47 Join Date: Jan 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Going abroad to Learn about the deen - 03-01-2008 If you are still waiting around instead of not doing the course then why not do a diploma? Better than nothing, right? __________________ إتبعوا ولا تبتدعوا، فقدكفيتم، وكل بدعة ضلالة Follow (the Sunnah) and do not innovate (into it), for verily you have been sufficed. And every innovation is a misguidance. Confused about which religion is true? How can I know? Come and check out some proposed fundamental principles (#1 , #2) to aid you in making a decision.