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    Ibn Taymiyyah said:

    "…And bravery is defined by two things:

    a) the strength and firmness of the heart in the face of fears, and
    b) physical strength when fighting, such that one can kill with immense force and magnitude.

    The first is the definition of bravery. As for the latter, it indicates physical strength and ability, and not everyone who possesses physical strength has strength of heart, and vice versa.

    Because of this, you may find that it is said regarding a man who kills many people: 'He would do this if he had with him those who could guarantee his safety.' But, if he becomes scared, he is stricken with cowardice, and his heart becomes detached. And you would find the man with a firm heart who has not killed many people with his own hands firm in the face of fears, going forth in the face of hardships, and this is a characteristic that is required by the commanders, leaders, and forerunners of war, more so than the other, as the forerunner, if he is brave and firm at heart, will go forth and remain firm and will not be defeated, and his supporters will fight alongside him. If he was a coward and weak at heart, he will be humiliated, will not go forth, and will not remain firm, even if he is physically strong.

    And the Prophet was the most complete in regards to this bravery that is appropriate for the commanders in war, and he did not kill with his hand anyone except Ubayy bin Khalaf. He killed him on the day of Uhud, and did not kill anyone else with his hand before or after this."

    ['Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah'; 8/78]


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    Mashallah, should clear up alot of things for people who arent that ignorant.
    Jazakallah khair

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    jazakallah khair akhi


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    I wasnt aware of Ubayy bin Khalaf. I thought that Mohammed, in the sense of killing by his own hand, hadnt killed anyone.
    whats the story with Ubayy bin Khalaf?


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    Quote Originally Posted by barney View Post
    I wasnt aware of Ubayy bin Khalaf. I thought that Mohammed, in the sense of killing by his own hand, hadnt killed anyone.
    whats the story with Ubayy bin Khalaf?
    He was one of the pagans of Makkah and one the vilest enemy of Islam. He was boasting to everyone that he is going to kill Mohammad. I think this was during battle of Uhud (the 2nd major battle to take place after battle of badr). The companions of the Prophet (saws) told him that this guy is going and telling everyone he is going to kill you, should we kill him? the Prophet (saws) said no, i will kill him.

    I can relate the whole story in details later on if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barney View Post
    I wasnt aware of Ubayy bin Khalaf. I thought that Mohammed, in the sense of killing by his own hand, hadnt killed anyone.
    whats the story with Ubayy bin Khalaf?
    it happened in the battle of uhud.

    When the Messenger was going up a hillock he was followed by uba bin khalaf who was saying

    where is muhammed? either i will kill him or i will be killed.

    the companios said: oh messenger of Allah, do you mind if one of us fights with him?

    But Allahs Messenger said: Leave him!

    Do when he (UBK) drew nearer, Muhammed took a spear from one of his companions and shivered violently in such a way that htye all scattered in different directions (the companions)

    then he observed his collarbone through a gap between the opening of the armor and speared that spot. this made ubk roll of his horse, the effect was so strong.

    he returned to the Quraish and said By Allah Muhammed has killed me.

    They told him By Allah you are afraid of death By Allah you are possessed by the devil..

    He said He already told me when we were in Makkah i will kill you. By Allah had he spat on me he would have killed me.

    (i shortened this from the book al raheeq al makthum)


    This is because the pagans of makkah knew Muhammed was a truthful man and generally believed him, but for islam their hearts were sealed.

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    Cheers, but i found some stuff on him.
    The prophet charged him on horseback with a lance and he was unseated "bellowing like an ox" he died of wounds getting back to his lines.

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=x...sult#PPA161,M1


    Ahh just seen your post, thanks for the info.


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    Quote Originally Posted by barney View Post
    Cheers, but i found some stuff on him.
    The prophet charged him on horseback with a lance and he was unseated "bellowing like an ox" he died of wounds getting back to his lines.

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=x...sult#PPA161,M1


    Ahh just seen your post, thanks for the info.


    just like translations of the Qur'an, never stick to 1 Seerah!

    here's another:

    http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/B..._tsn/index.htm

    and an audio version by Bashar Shala[originally posted by brother Qatada]:

    http://www.pleasantviewschool.com/me...t%20%28pbuh%29



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    Thanks for the links.

    Mohammed of course wasnt the only prophet to go into battle. David and Solomon for a start led armies.


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    At the end of some narrations, it is mentioned that the worst of people are those who are killed by their Prophets. Showing that this guy was extremely evil to be the only one who was killed by Allah's final Messenger.




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    Quote Originally Posted by - Qatada - View Post
    At the end of some narrations, it is mentioned that the worst of people are those who are killed by their Prophets. Showing that this guy was extremely evil to be the only one who was killed by Allah's final Messenger.
    Yes, and it also says they are the worst punished in the Hereafter as well sine they were killed by the anbiya.

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    Asalaam alaikum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh
    Muhammadur Rasulullah. P.362-3.
    Syed Abul Hasan Ali Hasani Nadwi,


    The number of his battles was 27 while he is reported to have sent out 46 forays and expeditions [Estimate by Ibn al Qayim in Za'ad al Ma'ad] - although no fighting had taken place in many of them. (within a period of 10 years - the Medinan Period after alot of patience against torture in Makkah [torture lasted for around 13 years in Makkah].)

    Never in the history of human conflict had any conqueror shed so little blood and was crowned with such a remarkable success. In all these battles, only 1018 persons, Muslims aswell as non-Muslims lost their lives. (Qazi Muhammad Sulaiman Mansurpuri gives this figure after a detailed study [Rahmatulil 'Alamin]...


    Such was the public tranquility and orderliness resulting from the Prophets campaigns, that a rider would go from San'a to Hadramout [in Yemen where continuous tribal warfare was common] without fearing anyone, except Allah and the wolf who might trouble his sheep... [Bukhari Volume 9, Book 85 [ikrah - (saying something under compulsion)], Number 76.]

    Another report says that the women from Qadisiyya [in iraq] went alone on their camels for pilgrimage to Makkah without the least anxiety or fear. [Ibn Hisham, Vol.2, p.581]



    This was a country in which, from the time immemorial, fights and forays, battles between nomadic tribes and raids on one anothers flocks and property had been accepted unquestionably as a part of the desert life. Even the caravans of neighbouring powerful kingdoms [Byzantine Romans, Sassanid Persians] dared not cross the country (of Arabia) in pre-Islamic days without powerful escorts and guides...


    And, how successful were these campaigns of the Prophet can be judged from the fact that within a brief period of ten years, more than a million square miles was won for Islam: the Islamic state expanded at an average rate of some 274 square miles daily at the cost of one martyr a month. [Brig. Gulzar Ahmed, The Battles of the Prophet of Allah, Karachi [1975], p.28].

    This respect for human blood is unequaled in the annals of man [Prophet Muhammad brought the most benefit - with the least amount of casualties]. The truth of this assertion is simply borne out if the losses of these campaigns are placed by the side of casualties in the last two world wars... yet none of these two blood-stained wars can be claimed to have done any good to the humanity nor did they solve any problem of the world. The Inquisitions established by the Roman catholic church in the Middle Ages for trial and punishment for heretics is reported to have taken a toll of 12 million lives. [John Devenport, Apology for Muhammad and Qur'an].
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    Well this thread is excellent for people who think Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was a murderer he only killed for Idlam and his followers also didn't enjoy the gushing blood out they only did it for Islam and may Allah reward them for that.Ameen.

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    jazaka Allahu khyran akhy

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    I don't think it is right to say that the prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) killed Ubayy bin Khalaf. Ubayy bin Khalaf was in excruciating pain after receving the blow from the Prophet (peace abd blessings of Allah be upon him) but he returned to Makkah with the Quraish and was murmuring like a madman to everyone that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) killed him. He was in pain and in shock and moreover he had Allah's wrath because he used to make claims that he would kill the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) one day (nauzbillah). The blow had a role in his death but also the impact it had on Ubayy bin Khalaf. and he did not die on the battlefield. So I think he could have died of possibly a heart attack.

    I disagree here because Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is foretold in Prophecies in other religions that he will hold the sword but wont kill anyone.

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    Lets go with logic shall we? Look at the facts on this thread. They outnumber your thinking brother.

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